Are Belgian Malinois replacing German shepherds? - Page 1

Are BM replacing GSD??

GSD's are for everyone, Belgian Malinois are for "serious operators"
 
  This is just my opinion based on what I went through with both breeds.

    BM are pretty new breed in America in comparison with other working breeds so people, trainers, handlers, owners etc don't know how to deal with their energy, they don't  have the knowledge of the breed thats why they call them crazy or "wired" or stubborn,,,,,  well they are not, they just have different energy then normal working breeds.

    So the big issue here is not the dog or the breed......The big problem here is the LACK OF EXPERIENCE, I repeat it again, LACK OF EXPERIENCE Belgian Malinois are not for rookies, or stay home moms that want to title the BM and then, it drives them crazy, or the young fellows impressed with their jumping and speed, trying to train a Bm and then getting frustrated cause they can't handle it..... Even police officers, they are not dog trainers, they are police officers; they do not have the experience under their belts as a dog handlers or trainers, well.... I'd say most of them, therefore they switch back to GSD, cause is a dog pretty much for everybody.  Please keep this in mind:
 
"Belgian Malinois are for SERIOUS OPERATORS  no for rookies".

They required a trainer with experience, knowledge of the breed and patience, to handle them. overall BM is a superior working dog than a GSD, Speed, sharpness, intelligence, working capacity, they will give you better performance in a longer shift cause their high stamina allows them to do so and deal with it. No GSD no Dobbies no Rotweillers no APBT can overcome or out run the BM qualities as a police or working or schutzhund dog (look at the videos on internet how fast they hunt" the helper and how fast they retrieve the dumbells...!!!!!!!!

So, where there is knowledge and experience yes the Belgian Malinois replaces the GSD....

    OH I forgot  less food, less poop, less shedding hair, less visits to the doctor, GSD are more prone to get illness, one more fact BM can take way a lot more heat than GSD, they perform better on extreme heat.   Israel, Colombia, Mexico, Iraq, Brasil  etc......"HEAVY DUTY PLACES, HEAVY DUTY DOGS"

  Please do not take me wrong I have such a great respect for GSD, DDR and Czhec lines all of them are great for work or sport, I personally like the ddr  dark sable look but overall Belgian Malinois is a superior breed than GSD pound per pound...

    some comments here involving budget or prices dont make any sense to me this is nothing to do with the price I've seen dogs both breeds without papers performing really well probably even better then a US5000 well marketed dog LOL!! ..and also I've seen BM  going for big money as well.......





 


 

Are you kidding?  Is this meant as a joke?  You certainly can't be serious.

Jim

I have had little experience around Mals but it seems like apples and oranges to me.

I did hear one guy claim they were switching to the Mals for k-9 training but he never really elaborated why.
This was a professional who trains for law enforcement with a great many years experience.
He also claimed there were no more good dogs (GSD's) in Germany, again no real explanation.

I don't think you can compare the two.
Apples and oranges.
I would still choose the GSD over the Mal for my purposes.

I am curious as to what your experience is with both breeds?  I have owned both GSD and Mals going on 14 years now.
My first GSD was imported from Dieter Haupt/Lindenhalle and all of  my Mals have been from Ring/KNPV/BR lines from imported parents. All good quality breedings. My current GSDs are all from titled imported parents as well, one bitch imported from Belgium(SchH/KNPV background), the other male was a breeding done in Germany, bitch imported in whelp, and am waiting on a pup from Leipheimer Moor shortly.

Overall In my experience it has been easier for me to find GSDs with the nerve strength, hardness I want in my dogs.
A lot of the Mals are bred only for super high  prey drive and are handler soft and can't handle real hard training. The dogs I keep can handle the work and are calm away from the SchH field and clear headed and more balanced in their drives. 

I recently had a chance to train with Elmar Mannes and he told me he normally doesn't work Mals as they can't handle his style of training. After watching my bitch work he stepped in and worked her and was very surprised at her being able to handle the work. Honestly I wouldn't have kept her if she couldn't...

As far as training both breeds go the I have found the Mals overall easier to handle when in high drive. More of a thinking breed..the GSDs I find can take more mistakes without them showing up. My GSDs have been more stubborn/harder overall, not always but usually..

JMO..

Tracey

Malinois and German shepherds are two great breeds.The only thing bad about both is the majority of people who own them and train them. Have a nice one.

My 2 cents:

                      Each breed as with each dog trained has it,s own individual characteristics as well as it,s own training requirements, we make of them as we will with the animals given talents.  

 

 

 

Maybe this is why  http://hauspharao.com/worldshow/2007/va4.html   that's funny stuff.  Note in the slow motion attack on handler segment at the end how the dog slows and just waits for the helper to "stuff" the arm in his mouth and the grip is still short !!!!

Here is an example of the Malinois Korung  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_WgHcPYU9U&feature=related .  I guess this could be why more and more departments are switching.  How much would you say Vegas is worth??  To tell you the truth, if my life depended on a dog, it would be a Malinois.

Phil,
You know that is a really bad example and very one sided.  I expected a little more from you.  Let's at least compare working dogs to working dogs to be fair.

Jim