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by Elite k9 on 22 January 2010 - 01:01

Whats the diferenc in vom and von

Jessie James

by Jessie James on 22 January 2010 - 02:01

They both mean OF. It's the gender of the word. One is the masculine and one is the feminine


Elkoorr

by Elkoorr on 22 January 2010 - 02:01

This is only partial correct. It often depends on the grammatical make-up of the following words. Best is to ask a native german, especially when trying to create a german sounding kennel name. There are already too many "crippeld" ones out there.

rocknrolla

by rocknrolla on 22 January 2010 - 02:01


DDR-DSH

by DDR-DSH on 22 January 2010 - 03:01

'vom" is a conjunction  (possessive), a contraction of "von dem". It is the masculine form. Meaning that it implies that something is from (such and such, perhaps a place), and that thing or place is masculine in gender. Most "Romance" (descended from Latin) languages.. the majority of continental European languages.. ascribe a maculine, feminine or sometimes neutral gender to a thing. For example, "der, die, das", all mean "the", but have the gender of M, F, N, relatively. Der Hund (M) the dog, die Blüme (F) the flower, das Haus (N) the house. In most Romance languages, there is a masculine and feminine form of the same thing. For example "der Hund" (dog) and "die Hündin" (bitch). But, not always, or these words may not be obviously related. OK.. So, the possessive form of "of" (belonging to, or hailing from) a masculine noun is "vom", or "von dem". You could technically say, "von dem", but no one does it.

Almost without exception, these kennel names use the masculine possessive, "vom" instead of "von". I think the reason why is that the word for "kennel" (der Zwinger or Hundezwinger) is implied.. i.e. Hannah " vom (Zwinger) Puchberg".

By the way, Germans always capitalize ALL nouns..

DDR-DSH

by DDR-DSH on 22 January 2010 - 03:01

Oops.. I just made one little mistake.. "die Hundin" (without the umlaut or dipthong u) means "bitch" (singular) and "Hündin" means "bitches" (plural). .

DDR-DSH

by DDR-DSH on 22 January 2010 - 03:01

Something else werth noting... In the old days, only the nobility and upper classes were known by the name of "von .....". I'm talking about people, now. For example, "Max von Stephanitz", was high born from an important family. So was Werner von Braun (arguably the father of our space program). I think it would be poor form to use "von", instead of "vom" (for a dog), but it is pretty common to see "von der" in the dogs' names. It does mean "from the" and would be masculine, but not possessive. I think that maybe "von der" might be used to mean, "from the (a location?) and "vom (von dem) might imply a sort of brand name, as in a kennel name).

Elkoorr

by Elkoorr on 22 January 2010 - 04:01

DDR-DSH....huh? Part makes sense, and then not so.  

singular... die Hündin ...... plural.... die Hündinnen   (for females)

Other examples, same word, different meaning. Plenty of them out there, thats why one should ask, nothing wrong with that.

Rex von Hof  (city in Bavaria)

Rex vom Hof (like Bauernhof)

by Nans gsd on 22 January 2010 - 16:01

So this all sounds very complicated,  is it true that German is one of the hardest languages to learn to speak??

Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 22 January 2010 - 16:01

No, all of the romance languages have gender associations for articles.  It gets even more complicated when both gender and tense are included!





 


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