Breeding on prelims - Page 1

Breeding dogs with hip certifications are the basic for any dog breeder, I am totally against breeding any dog without it, even if they have prelims.  If the guy wants to breed to your stud, he can wait until next heat.  Doing this can also ruin your
reputation with GOOD breeders who actually care about the breed.

I am VERY picky who breeds to my male as if someone is as careless to breed to an uncertified male, they arent going to be very careful placing their puppies in good forever homes. 

but of course this is all my opinion :-)

Jessica Porter

what titles does the young male have?

Prelims are really only valid if done by OFA ,its certainly not unheard of to breed dogs close to 24 months with prelims consideriing most countries rate them at 12 months, An OFA  EX  rating is pretty much a guarenteed pass at 2 ,a Good is approx 97%  The confidence rate is 95 % at two,so of course it would be less at 14 months   You could submit the X-rays you have to get a valid prelim if its fair definetly don't do it

PS:  There are breeds that were trying to have their dogs OFA'd at 3 years instead of 2 years.  Where would this put you??No it did not pass but think about it.

Sitasmom,
why do you ask about titles?   This is about breeding on prelims.  Would it make any difference to you if he had titles and still was not OFA'd?  Just curious.

Why not just wait until the next heat cycle?

Bending ones standards can be a slippery slope.

Your gut reaction to wait until your male has OFAs is a good one   If its the right dog for the other guys female then he can be patient and wait. 

Thank you for all the input. 
I do have morals and standards. My reply to the person with his female was "No, not this heat cycle". I explained that my boy needs his official OFA rating first. He is a very nice guy with a very nice female. He is more than willing to wait until her next heat cycle.
JRANSOM...thanks for your comment on the titles. It was a prelim question, not a question about should I be breeding my male if he isn't titled.
But for the record, I do work and title my dogs.
Thanks again, I appreciate your thoughts on this.

Why not just send the films to the SV?

Why wait for OFA? I'm not a huge fan of OFA for the most part anyway. He's old enough to be certified in every country but this one. I also think it's ridiculous to think that genetic HD is not going to show by 14mos. If HD was all genetic, we'd have eliminated it by now due to careful breeding. If his hips are good at 14mos, but something happens to screw them up after 24 mos. (injury, etc.) when you send them to OFA, then what? I know SEVERAL dogs who had great hips and then injured themselves in that year (think about it; that's when heavy training and high potential for injury is most likely) waiting for OFA, and then didn't pass in one hip, tore an ACL and had subluxation due to being laid up all those months, etc.

You need good hips for breeding. Duh. But I do think we get a bit narrow focused and forget to look at the BIG picture when breeding. Pretty soon we'll have really crappy dogs with great hips....oh- and titles too. <roll eyes>  WE NEED TO BREED THE RIGHT DOGS- NOT JUST THE RIGHT HIPS AND TITLES AND PEDIGREES.

Rant over. Thank you for your time. LOL.