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by Lindsey on 29 December 2009 - 20:12
Hello! I am new to this group and am excited to l earn about more about GSD. I had my first GS in May of this year (09), he was an all black GS and was huge. At 7 months he was 85 lbs or pure muscle. The one thing he lacked was the normal GS ears. His flopped. So with advice from the "breeder" we got him from, we taped the ears. (He's not really a breeder, more of a hobby to him) We couldn't get the ears right, so the "breeder" offered to take him back for about a week and work on it for us. We left Panzer, our dog, on a Saturday, and were called Wednesday with the grim news that our dog was dead. Our beautiful, perfect 7 month old baby was not coming home. It was devistating and awful but nothing could be done to bring our dog back. Panzer was in with a pack of dogs that were all intact and also two preg. females. He was a confindent puppy and must have stepped over the boundry and was attacked. He had lost too much blood by the time our "breeder" was home, but he did bring him to the ER vet anyway. He was pronounced dead the evening of November 11.
With that terrible story being said, we have decided to take in two new pups. They are both GSD and one is all black and the other a traditional black and tan. We will be bringing them home Thursday. Amoungst much neigh say in getting the puppies from the same man, we have decided to take our chances and welcome them home. They both, brothers, are coming from Panzer's parents who are AMAZING dogs.
I will be looking for any advice in training two puppies. One wasn't too difficult, but I've heard two is much more to deal with.
Thanks for any help!
Lindsey
With that terrible story being said, we have decided to take in two new pups. They are both GSD and one is all black and the other a traditional black and tan. We will be bringing them home Thursday. Amoungst much neigh say in getting the puppies from the same man, we have decided to take our chances and welcome them home. They both, brothers, are coming from Panzer's parents who are AMAZING dogs.
I will be looking for any advice in training two puppies. One wasn't too difficult, but I've heard two is much more to deal with.
Thanks for any help!
Lindsey
by GSDPACK on 29 December 2009 - 20:12
I am going to sound rude and heartless....
Take only one puppy, please you will regret taking both in about a year when they get into it and if they are dominant one of them will end up in trouble.
No sound breeder (hobbyist as you say) will sell 2 brothers out of the same litter to a novice handlers. Please reconsider it.
Please rethink it, make research on horror stories about Littermate fights..
I can not believe that he OK that.. that is really bad. Obvioisly he is not very experienced handler. Never, EVER leave any other dogs run in a pack with adult males around bitches in heet.. that is just pure negligence and stupidity..
Ok I am done
whatever you decide, good luck and I hope that you take these words from a person who was once stupid enough to allow 2 puppies go to one household (supposed to go to another family bu they lied to me) and one of them ended up dead at the age of one year... never again I will sell 2 puppies to one buyer!
Take only one puppy, please you will regret taking both in about a year when they get into it and if they are dominant one of them will end up in trouble.
No sound breeder (hobbyist as you say) will sell 2 brothers out of the same litter to a novice handlers. Please reconsider it.
Please rethink it, make research on horror stories about Littermate fights..
I can not believe that he OK that.. that is really bad. Obvioisly he is not very experienced handler. Never, EVER leave any other dogs run in a pack with adult males around bitches in heet.. that is just pure negligence and stupidity..
Ok I am done
whatever you decide, good luck and I hope that you take these words from a person who was once stupid enough to allow 2 puppies go to one household (supposed to go to another family bu they lied to me) and one of them ended up dead at the age of one year... never again I will sell 2 puppies to one buyer!
by give that dog a job on 29 December 2009 - 20:12
Welcome and sorry for your rescent loss.
I will say I would not trust a back yard breeder who knowingly endangers his dogs. It seems to be there are predisposed health issues and all the necessary precautions where not taken with his breedings. And due to his lack of intelligent decision making skills by leaving Adult males and females in heat together without observation i would say the guy doesnt have a lot of common sense or knowledge of what he is doing. This is all bad news for you and the dogs he is reproducing.
I hope you either get lucky and get out without issues with your new pups and or can find a reputable breeder who can assist you in finding a healthy puppy in which suits your needs.
I will say I would not trust a back yard breeder who knowingly endangers his dogs. It seems to be there are predisposed health issues and all the necessary precautions where not taken with his breedings. And due to his lack of intelligent decision making skills by leaving Adult males and females in heat together without observation i would say the guy doesnt have a lot of common sense or knowledge of what he is doing. This is all bad news for you and the dogs he is reproducing.
I hope you either get lucky and get out without issues with your new pups and or can find a reputable breeder who can assist you in finding a healthy puppy in which suits your needs.
by VomMarischal on 29 December 2009 - 20:12
This spring I will be keeping a male from one litter and a female from the other (Doggess willing); they will be about 4-6 months apart in age. I expect that experience to nearly kill me. Really, you might want to re-think keeping two...they will probably run you roughshod. HOWEVER, if you are determined and experienced, and you and your significant other can take responsibility for one each, I guess it might be POSSIBLE...but it'd be better if they were different sexes.
That said, some people pull it off. Just know that your odds aren't very large.
And yes, that breeder was nuts.
That said, some people pull it off. Just know that your odds aren't very large.
And yes, that breeder was nuts.
by VomMarischal on 29 December 2009 - 20:12
Oops, forgot to say welcome!
by GSDPACK on 29 December 2009 - 20:12
Oh yah, hallo...
I am not sure darnet that this is a good decision. I get goose bumbs when I read posts like that
Sorry for your lost.
pack
I am not sure darnet that this is a good decision. I get goose bumbs when I read posts like that
Sorry for your lost.
pack
by Keith Grossman on 29 December 2009 - 20:12
Welcome, Lindsey.
There is too much wrong with this story to even begin to address.
by RONNIERUNCO on 29 December 2009 - 21:12
WELCOME TO THE FORUM LINDSEY. IF YOU COME OVER I WILL MAKE YOU SOMETHING TO EAT WITH MY BRAND NEW SLAP CHOPS THAT I ORDERED FROM SHAM WOW VINCE.
by hodie on 29 December 2009 - 22:12
Hello Lindsey,
Let me start off by saying "welcome" too. But, like others here, I think you are letting your heart rule where your mind should. NO RESPONSIBLE and knowledgeable breeder would allow a pup, especially one that has been gone, to run with a pack and especially so when pregnant or in heat females are around. If I take one of my dogs to the vet, for example, they are not allowed to immediately rejoin the group. Why? Because they smell differently and the chance of a fight increases. When I do return the dog to the pack, I am there to carefully supervise. And I am a strong leader with years of experience with dogs. And I am VERY CAREFUL still!!
You say this man is not a breeder, but a "hobby breeder". What does that mean? I know a few "hobby breeders" and they are very knowledgeable and very careful about breeding. I know others who do it without much knowledge and for whom it is mostly about money.
What it means, based only on this story, is that you are dealing with someone who also has little or no experience or common sense. Who knows what really happened with your pup? To take an additional dog from this person is one thing. To take two males is nuts. And this is said assuming you are quite inexperienced. If you were experienced, you too would see something very wrong with the picture you painted here.
As others have pointed out, unless you know how to deal with the pups, you will end up with fights perhaps and then have your own personally experienced situation to deal with. Take a single pup. Learn about the breed. Learn to care for it properly and to train and socialize the dog. In a year or more, when you have some experience under your belt, then consider another dog, but not necessarily a male.
Think first about what it is you want in a dog. Are you getting the dog for a pet? Do you want to participate in some dog sport? Do you have prior experience with German Shepherds or large dogs? Have you training experience? Do you have the proper living situation and confinement for a dog so it does not get into trouble running at large?
There are a lot of very experienced people here, including many posters here on this thread. I personally have many, many years of experience and also have done GSD rescue for more than 15 years. I have learned to read between the lines of posts like yours. What you are about to do is very problematic and, if we are even a little correct in our assumptions, the ones who will pay the price of your inexperience are the dogs. Don't let that happen. Do it right. Doing it right means a lot of things must and should be done before jumping into the fire. For one thing, one has to question this person you are dealing with.
Finally, you cannot train any dog simply by posting questions and getting responses on a forum like this. Some responses will be reasonable and given by people with experience. Others will be given by people who have far less experience. If you have little to no experience it will be exceedingly difficult to train two dogs of the same age.
People here want you to do the right thing and will try to help you. But first, you have to be certain you do not put yourself in a position where it is impossible for you to deal with the situation.
Think about it. For the sake of the dogs. I am very sorry this horrible incident happened. It should not have happened.
Let me start off by saying "welcome" too. But, like others here, I think you are letting your heart rule where your mind should. NO RESPONSIBLE and knowledgeable breeder would allow a pup, especially one that has been gone, to run with a pack and especially so when pregnant or in heat females are around. If I take one of my dogs to the vet, for example, they are not allowed to immediately rejoin the group. Why? Because they smell differently and the chance of a fight increases. When I do return the dog to the pack, I am there to carefully supervise. And I am a strong leader with years of experience with dogs. And I am VERY CAREFUL still!!
You say this man is not a breeder, but a "hobby breeder". What does that mean? I know a few "hobby breeders" and they are very knowledgeable and very careful about breeding. I know others who do it without much knowledge and for whom it is mostly about money.
What it means, based only on this story, is that you are dealing with someone who also has little or no experience or common sense. Who knows what really happened with your pup? To take an additional dog from this person is one thing. To take two males is nuts. And this is said assuming you are quite inexperienced. If you were experienced, you too would see something very wrong with the picture you painted here.
As others have pointed out, unless you know how to deal with the pups, you will end up with fights perhaps and then have your own personally experienced situation to deal with. Take a single pup. Learn about the breed. Learn to care for it properly and to train and socialize the dog. In a year or more, when you have some experience under your belt, then consider another dog, but not necessarily a male.
Think first about what it is you want in a dog. Are you getting the dog for a pet? Do you want to participate in some dog sport? Do you have prior experience with German Shepherds or large dogs? Have you training experience? Do you have the proper living situation and confinement for a dog so it does not get into trouble running at large?
There are a lot of very experienced people here, including many posters here on this thread. I personally have many, many years of experience and also have done GSD rescue for more than 15 years. I have learned to read between the lines of posts like yours. What you are about to do is very problematic and, if we are even a little correct in our assumptions, the ones who will pay the price of your inexperience are the dogs. Don't let that happen. Do it right. Doing it right means a lot of things must and should be done before jumping into the fire. For one thing, one has to question this person you are dealing with.
Finally, you cannot train any dog simply by posting questions and getting responses on a forum like this. Some responses will be reasonable and given by people with experience. Others will be given by people who have far less experience. If you have little to no experience it will be exceedingly difficult to train two dogs of the same age.
People here want you to do the right thing and will try to help you. But first, you have to be certain you do not put yourself in a position where it is impossible for you to deal with the situation.
Think about it. For the sake of the dogs. I am very sorry this horrible incident happened. It should not have happened.
by hodie on 29 December 2009 - 22:12
By the way, one more thing for you to think about. A 7 month old pup who weighs 85 pounds is either overweight or likely going to be well out of the breed standard for size. Have you heard of a breed standard? Do you understand it or know what it means? How did you select your pup? The breeder? What kinds of information about the sire and dam of the pup did you look at or consider? What is it that you want in a dog? Did you want working or show lines, what bloodlines? Is the dog to be a pet?
And we could all list many other questions that SHOULD be considered before getting a dog. In the end, you will likely ignore most of what is written here, but, I suggest that the responses you have had already should also suggest to you that there are some serious concerns here.............these concerns should have occurred already to you.
And we could all list many other questions that SHOULD be considered before getting a dog. In the end, you will likely ignore most of what is written here, but, I suggest that the responses you have had already should also suggest to you that there are some serious concerns here.............these concerns should have occurred already to you.
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