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GSDguy08

by GSDguy08 on 25 December 2009 - 02:12

So, I am raising and training a puppy from a Husky litter of mine.  I'll be training it over the next 6 months and taking it to a friend of mine and helping them and showing them how to work with the dog, educating them on everything and eventually after a while I will leave the dog with them....after I have shown and educated them enough,  and I feel they are ready for her.  Anyway,  I'm now working on leash walking with the puppy.  She is 7 and 1/2 weeks with an awesome food drive and already walks well on the leash for her age, though as all puppies do, she has her limits.  As we continue to train (positive only don't worry) I will eventually take her walking down the roads here.  I am not worried about most any dog around here, in fact most dogs who see me now just go lie down when I'm walking their way with my dogs.  There is one dog I do worry about however.  

 

The puppy will walk with me a lot of times by herself to help build the bond with me, and to make it easier, though sometimes she will walk with my pack since they can help her in ways, they do know what to do after all.  One yard we pass has a female Rottie.  This dog is 100 lbs according to the owner.  I've seen this dog, never exercised, a big fenced in yard though it might as well be a prison due to having no way to drain her energy.  Any dog or car that goes by she locks into prey drive and chases back and forth ready to kill.  My worry is that,  she goes into it in an extreme way when small animals or dogs are involved.   This is a house about 300 feet from mine, that I walk past every single day on my walks with the big dogs.  In the past I had been walking my dogs down the road, and on our way back a small dog followed us........I didn't realize he was still with us until I saw the Rottie jump the fence and attack it.  Keep in mind we walk about an hour way down the road at a fast pace, and an hour back.   In the past when the Rottie jumped their fence (only 4 feet high) he came over and had an argument with me and told me to not walk my dogs down the road (the Rottie jumped the fence attacking the small dog that didn't even belong to me, and I didn't even know it was still there)  So after telling me to not walk my dogs down the road, he suggested I walk my dogs down the other side of the road (which is .2 tenths of a mile and I typically walk a minimal of 6 miles and up to 10 if we run or more if we go biking)  If you go down the short part of the road it hits a big highway with constant traffic and traffic coming from the interstate.  I will not avoid going down the road for some idiot who doesn't want to control his dogs, nor will I walk one small section 40 times to please him.

 

The time the dog jumped the fence in the past, he fussed and said he was not going to lose his dog, and I will not use the road in front of his yard to train my dogs (which I really didn't since my dogs pay no attention to his anyway).  He also stated that he did everything he could to stop her, but she just wouldn't listen so if she got in the road it wasn't his fault........I highly disagree with him on that.  Leash laws, and a potential threat of a dog who is out of their yard is grounds for me being allowed to kill or beat the dog due to the threat itself.   All he did to control his dog was say "come here Libby" in a cheesy voice.......a dog of that breed, fixated and locked in drive will never listen to that, especially when it's intentions are to attack or kill.  He said he did all he could do.  I even at one point offered to come over some time and help him work on it.....he just changed the subject and said I need to be a gentlemen and walk my dogs down that small part of the road or not do it at all. &nb


DebiSue

by DebiSue on 25 December 2009 - 03:12

Do you have a cell phone?  Call the police and report the dog running at large.  They'll persuade him to control his dog.

by hodie on 25 December 2009 - 04:12

I have a different view of this. Though you certainly have a right to walk your dogs down this street, what would you do if this Rottie jumped the fence and went after your small pup or one of your other dogs (whom I presume are on leash?). The bottom line is that common sense suggests avoiding a problem, even if you are "right". What good is "right" if there is a fight, an injury or death of the pup, or a serious bite to you. Yes, calling the Police and making a report and asking them to go talk to the man in question might be a good idea,  but I suggest taking the "high road" and in this case, it means avoiding this area. Otherwise, right or not, you are just looking for trouble and sooner or later, chances are good you will get it. Would it be worth the potential cost? Not in my opinion.

 

 


luvdemdogs

by luvdemdogs on 25 December 2009 - 04:12

I'm with Hodie on this.  It's easier for you to walk on the other side of the road than it would be for the other dog owner to build a higher fence.  From the Rottie's perspective, you're going by his territory and probably infuriating him. What is the harm from walking on the other side of the road and keeping peace between you and the other dog lover/neighbour?

GSDguy08

by GSDguy08 on 25 December 2009 - 06:12

Walking on the other side of the road? You can be within 50 feet of the Rottie and it paces back and forth ready to kill. It is not completely about territory, it's a female Rottie who has no way to release it's energy and in return chases any and everything viewing it as prey.  I've met this dog outside of the fence, taking it back to the owner the previous time.  It is a very fearful dog outside of the yard.  How do I "avoid" the area if I walk by it every day?  I will not avoid that section and go down the exact same sight and smells in a sense, every single day.  Dogs don't grow from that if they experience only the same thing every single day.  My Husky pack goes down the road every day, but to a different area, or as many new places along the way as we can.   However, after having a brain fart, I just had an idea......After thinking about it,  I thought about maybe calling him, when I am going to take the puppy......that way for just a few minutes he can put the Rottie up, and then when I'm going back he can take her back out. This guy is there most all of the day, or his son is......his son is like 30 and lives with them....  I remember taking my pack over there one day when he was gone and his son was there......his son is completely different, and he actually WANTS to work with me on this and said come on over whenever.   I'm talking about the Rotties craziness when seeing another animal.    The last time I spoke to the son,   I had given him treats, and I started walking.....When the Rottie lost focus on the treats or toy and ran along the fence I stopped (non moving prey)  I told him  call the Rottie back to gain focus again......after two or three times the dog got the idea......however this was without the dad there, and the dad has really no desire to have me around there anyway.  My grandparents live next door to me on the same side as our house......their house is directly accross the road from the Rotties house.....even them walking out of their house or getting in their car,  all 6 of the dogs bark and run around in more of a neurotic manner.  I have shut the door to our house before, and they all had the same reaction.......okay just frustration on my part, but thats how annoying his dogs are. They bark non stop at absolutely everything within their sight to the point that it is very disturbing to us, and the neighbors.  It's not even just that, I remember  after the Rottie jumped the fence, the neighbor straight accross the road from us walked their older dog to the mail box though a couple hundred feet away, the Rottie almost jumped the fence.  The lady looked in terror, literally, and went back to the house as fast as she could.  This was just someone minding their own business, getting their mail, should they also avoid this by not going to their mail box?  Something in me just can't completely agree with what you guys are saying though I do understand it.

by hodie on 25 December 2009 - 15:12

I guess I would ask what you wanted to hear? Life is not fair a lot of the time. The neighbor and his Rottie may be a real problem for you and it may be a situation in which you are not at fault and have few safe options. You have legal options to pursue and I would suggest looking into them.

But if I were you, I would reconsider my answer here and I would be going somewhere else for now to avoid a problem. Don't let your frustration with the situation allow you to make a decision that endangers you or one of your dogs.......my thoughts for what it is worth.

GSDguy08

by GSDguy08 on 25 December 2009 - 16:12

Yeah....I may see if a neighbor a few houses down will let me park at their house (every house going down the road is separated by a long field that we own) when I am going to take the puppy.  With my adult dogs I never have any reason to worry about anything.  They are medium sized dogs, 40-60 lbs and anything that size will not send her over the fence. I do know as fast as time seems to go now, it's just a matter of time before that puppy will be big enough.  Husky females seem to grow up a lot faster than the males.

mollyandjack

by mollyandjack on 25 December 2009 - 19:12

Driving a ways away sounds like a good idea. Even if your neighbor is in the wrong, he's probably not going to change his ways and it seems like he can't control this dog...for your puppy's sake, stay clear.

I've also broken up a few dogfights and scared/fought off aggressive dogs without injury so far...(and gotten the HELL outta the way of others), so if you want any tips in the event that the dog jumps the fence and finds you anyway, PM me. I've lived in some scary neighborhoods.


Bhaugh

by Bhaugh on 25 December 2009 - 21:12

I dont know where you live but if it were me I would be calling animal control. Im not one for confrontations but the reality is the dog is going to eventually harm a person if not kill another dog. Then you get to live with the fact that you may have been able to avoid it by turning the guy in. I have a small dog that lives behind me that I CANT STAND. The owners dont care about the fact that the dog has found a way into my yard and has tried to bite me in my own yard. The dog barks constantly and Ive called animal control on the dog more than once. Even though I hate the dog I wouldnt want him to be killed by my dogs then have the kids that own him find him chewed up. You know that its only a matter of time before something happens. Be proactive and do something now before its too late.
If you dont have animal control and the guy is such an ass as to not listen, then go to the neighbors and petition to have the dog confined for safety reasons. I have found that dogs who act like this usually do it to their own owners. Maybe the dog rules the roost and the guy is actually afraid of his own dog.

Good luck!

GSDguy08

by GSDguy08 on 26 December 2009 - 05:12

Bhaugh that sounds like a good plan.  On his side of the road there is a house right next to his....going down the road the way I walk typically and not the house accross from mine  (confusing but accross my house is the woman who walked her dog to the mail box....beside her house is the Rottie, and then comes the house with that tiny dog) Anyway the Rottie chases it trying to kill it through the fence (thankfully there is about 2 feet separating each owners fences) and because that dog is so small and up close that the Rottie is not putting two and two together and jumping that fence going after it. I know that house has young little children.......that house has a neurotic tiny dog.....though this dog is in a fenced in yard also, and typically pays no attention to the Rottie, the Rottie sees

Bhaugh that sounds like a good plan.  On the opposite side of the road there is the house accross from me, with the woman who had walked her dog to her mail box......then the Rotties dog going down the right......then there is a house with a tiny neurotic dog.  The tiny dogs house is fenced in, just like the Rotties..... Two feet distance separates the fences.  I'm also worried even about that house.  The Rottie tries to get through the fence....she hasn't figured out jumping the fence because the dog is so close and low to the ground, but if she ever got out and into that yard......a lot of times there are little, very young children in that yard with that little dog.

You said something that really made me think.......if I don't say anything......and something happens.....just the day I made this post a girl was walking her dog down the road.....thankfully a large breed dog and not a small breed.  But if I don't say something, and something bad happens to a dog, or especially a child then I would feel really guilty about it.  I think this Rottie is a lawsuit waiting to happen.  I remember the day it got out.  At first I took my pack back into the yard as fast as I could, ran back, and I was going to make the Rottie follow me back to it's owners yard (since it attacked the small dog who followed us.....  The Rottie stopped, with that saliva all over it's face, just foaming, and then with that silent stare....she was ready to take a bite out of me if I turned around again, so I used body language, and energy walking back and making it go back........I read the dog right though and it backed away.  After two times and walking around her and making her go towaords the owners gate she did, and he got her in.


MollyandJack  I know every single dog in this neighborhood, and all respect me or ignore me due to the training we have done with my dogs in front of their houses.....using certain approaches I wait until the street dogs or no fence dogs calm down, go back to the house and lay down until we move on.......it has worked with every dog in the neighborhoods we go through.. Most dogs see us and just keep laying down, or just go back to the house.  I've had to correct a charging PitBul in the past, though I used my hand like a set of claws and swung it into the dogs side, it ran for the house.  I actually carry a long stick at times, but still shoot me a pm on any advice.

Most every person in my neighborhood and around town knows me as the dog man. They like me, talk to me, and are nice to me.  This guy and about two others are the only ones I have had an issue with.  Most people around here if they are home get on to their own dogs for barking at me, and most apoligize if their dogs do anything......though I just tell them it's good for training, don't worry too much about it.






 


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