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by wlpool on 23 December 2009 - 01:12
Does anyone know where to find the required activities for a novice Rally and ob class. I have been on AKC.org and can't find a basic page that just has the activities that my dog will be required to perform. Plus, I am doing schutzhund with my dog and already got his BH does anyone think that doing a novice rally and ob trial will wig our schutzhund stuff. I have worked very hard with him and was hoping that a rally would bring us closer and help us, but am unsure bc of my habit of using hand and fear of double command faults in schutzhund. Has anyone had much success with the two types of events or can anyone think of any complications that I could run into?
Thx,
W
Thx,
W
by vonissk on 23 December 2009 - 01:12
You should be able to find the rules at AKC. But rally has a number of exercises and the judge decides which 10 I believe it is she will use on that day. As far as novice OB--you heel, make several turns and a figure 8 on leash. Stand for exam--then you do the heeling off leash--of course when you stop the dog has to sit automatically--the last 2 are group exercises--a sit and down. I believe the sit is one minute and the down is 3 minutes. You can use an type of collar but a pinch and a 4' or longer leash but make sure you keep it loose. Also if you are using both hand and verbal commands make sure to only do one or the other because they will take points off for using both. What is different is the AKC judges don't particularly like the dog to " hug" you or have its head ahead of you like in ScH. You should be able to google rally ob and come up with a place that tells you more. I have never done it so can't elaborate.
by Renofan2 on 23 December 2009 - 01:12
The regulations for both can be found at http://www.akc.org/rules/ You can also google the AKC Rally signs and download them for free. As stated by Vonissk the judge will pick a set of signs and set the course the day of the show. You can walk thru it before hand a few times without your dog along with other handlers in your group. I train Molly in Schutzhund and she has her AKC CD, Rally Advanced and Bh. I did not run into any trouble going back in forth between Rally, CD and the BH, however this fall I started experiencing problems competing in the CDX. Molly doesn't like working in the fenced area and with the slower healing, less animation, she gets bored and starts clowning around. She does not do this when we are working Schutzhund Obedience in an open field and she likes the faster pace. My mistake was trying several shows in a row which allowed her to pick up another bad habit each time. By our 4th show she was running out of the ring wth the dumbell and prancing around showing everyone that she had it and then running back into sit in front of me. She also used to be great at the out of site sits and downs, but once she got a taste of jumping out of the ring - that went to heck as well. As for training the different recalls - Schuthund from the down and AKC Obedience is from a sit - I never had any trouble, but the competing format is very different and I find that I act differently and that confuses the dog. I think that if the handler can handle both venues than it is not a problem, however if you are like me you can create some problems.
by B.Andersen on 23 December 2009 - 03:12
You need to order the rule book from AKC
by bjarnehaus on 23 December 2009 - 04:12
The dog will not get confused at all. Order the Rally book from the AKC. You do not need to get Rally signs, because if you have the book, you can train the dog to do the signs. In Rally it is more likely that the handler will mess up and miss a sign or something else. The biggest thing I had issues with my dogs, was having to do a left or swing finish, and a right or by heal finish. Since the Shepherds are a little larger, I always used a right or by heal finish with my dogs. If the dog has his BH, you should be able to get a CD on him fairly easily. Just remember, the AKC does not like any harsh corrections on a dog, I am saying like even if the judge does not like the way you snap on a choker even. They will call it a harsh correction. I know of several Schutzhund titled dogs, that have come through and done AKC Rally and AKC Obedience and done fine.
Rally novice is all done on lead. Rally advanced and Rally Excellent is done off lead. It is a fun thing to do, I think you would like it.
Rally novice is all done on lead. Rally advanced and Rally Excellent is done off lead. It is a fun thing to do, I think you would like it.
by wlpool on 23 December 2009 - 13:12
Great! Thank you everyone, these are extra helpful replies. Looks like I am going to do a little Rally. But, renofan2, I completely hear you and thanks for the warning. I may just go really slow with the AKC stuff so that I can break it up a little. Does anyone know if they will Fail me for the Schutzhund pace? My boy doesn't really hug all of the time at a vuss. Ha, FINALLY a place he won't get deducted, LOL.
Here is my boy at one of the FEW times he was getting it right. It was at the slow heel. Otherwise, I am teaching him to look at me more.
Anyway, thanks for all of the help!
W
Here is my boy at one of the FEW times he was getting it right. It was at the slow heel. Otherwise, I am teaching him to look at me more.
Anyway, thanks for all of the help!
W
by TessJ10 on 23 December 2009 - 14:12
"Does anyone know if they will Fail me for the Schutzhund pace?"
They'll love it.
If you mean the fast, animated pace with focus on you, they'll love it.
He will be docked if he crowds or bumps you, as that's points off in AKC, but the "pace," no. Remember, though, that the Schutzhund arm swinging is a DEFINITE no in AKC. SchH allows endless body language commands like the arm swinging that AKC does not allow at all.
Have fun!
They'll love it.
If you mean the fast, animated pace with focus on you, they'll love it.
He will be docked if he crowds or bumps you, as that's points off in AKC, but the "pace," no. Remember, though, that the Schutzhund arm swinging is a DEFINITE no in AKC. SchH allows endless body language commands like the arm swinging that AKC does not allow at all.
Have fun!
by Micky D on 23 December 2009 - 16:12
" Does anyone know if they will Fail me for the Schutzhund pace?"
You won't get pinged for a fast walk, but keep in mind, you MUST have an obvious pace change from "normal" to both fast and to slow. Therefore, if you go charging off hell for leather when you are at normal, you are going to be in a world of hurt when you are supposed to go fast, in an inside trial. You will be in a pretty small space. You will have exactly the same amount of space to run the course as the little Jack Russell. As for arm motion, since you can use hand signals and voice in a Rally novice ring, you should be able to use the same posture/arm technique in the Rally ring you do on your training field (without toys, food or other training aids). I'd encourage you to check with your judge when he asks if there are any questions.
Do yourself a favor and go to a couple of actual trials before you enter and observe what happens. Rally is like agility in that you won't know the course until you get to the trial. You will have an opportunity to walk the course (without the dog) before you are judged.
Here's a You Tube video of a Welsh Corgi and its handler with a qualifying score in Novice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hjWTN0Bz0o&feature=related
And here's a perfect run in Rally Excellent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuAz-pis5E8&feature=related
Good luck and have a wonderful Christmas!
You won't get pinged for a fast walk, but keep in mind, you MUST have an obvious pace change from "normal" to both fast and to slow. Therefore, if you go charging off hell for leather when you are at normal, you are going to be in a world of hurt when you are supposed to go fast, in an inside trial. You will be in a pretty small space. You will have exactly the same amount of space to run the course as the little Jack Russell. As for arm motion, since you can use hand signals and voice in a Rally novice ring, you should be able to use the same posture/arm technique in the Rally ring you do on your training field (without toys, food or other training aids). I'd encourage you to check with your judge when he asks if there are any questions.
Do yourself a favor and go to a couple of actual trials before you enter and observe what happens. Rally is like agility in that you won't know the course until you get to the trial. You will have an opportunity to walk the course (without the dog) before you are judged.
Here's a You Tube video of a Welsh Corgi and its handler with a qualifying score in Novice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hjWTN0Bz0o&feature=related
And here's a perfect run in Rally Excellent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuAz-pis5E8&feature=related
Good luck and have a wonderful Christmas!
by TessJ10 on 23 December 2009 - 16:12
Yes, I was speaking about the regular AKC Obedience classes for the CD, CDX, and Utility titles, not about Rally at all.
I did get dinged points for a CD on my "slow" - the judge said it was TOO slow, in that being so very slow it was thought that I was almost (but not quite) pausing between steps. I wasn't stopping or hesitating, just "too slow" and the judge considered that too slow-pace too much of a physical cue to the dog. I was just trying to show how well he could change pace (LOL). Still came in 2nd place, though.
I did get dinged points for a CD on my "slow" - the judge said it was TOO slow, in that being so very slow it was thought that I was almost (but not quite) pausing between steps. I wasn't stopping or hesitating, just "too slow" and the judge considered that too slow-pace too much of a physical cue to the dog. I was just trying to show how well he could change pace (LOL). Still came in 2nd place, though.
by Micky D on 23 December 2009 - 16:12
Too slow? Just damn. I could see it if you were actually hesitating. Many people with little dogs have to use changes in stride to get the change of pace. A Chihuahua can't keep in heel position with a person running at full tilt.
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