Puppy Mill ? - Page 1

I am the person  that some of your readers seem to think i am running a puppy mill! 
Now i am jumping to my own defence,   How wrong you all are.

The Jack Russell advert is for a friend, for -re-homing. 
I breed Border Terriers KCReg with 5generation pedigree
I breed German Shepherds KC Reg with 5 generation pedigree.

Last year  after discussions with other breeders and with my own research i decided to breed the Shepdoodles.
This was Successfull, although i only bred one litter.




My appologies for placing the Shepdoodle advert, did not realise  it was purely for Pedigree.
Only came accross this website by chance.

I will now place an advert for German Shepherds, view as you wish.

How can one litter determine the outcome as a success? What is your criteria for success as a breeder?

Having a 5 generation means nothing in the breeding world. There is a lot more too it than "pedigree dogs"

OK now whoever breeds a Shepherd and a poodle[cringe] should be shot with a large ball of monkey dung!!!!!
You want a mutt go to the pound and save a life!!!!!!! And "Non-shedding" what a joke all the folks I know who have labradoodles and golden doodles complain that their dogs SHED!!!!

So do the world a favor and DON'T breed MUTTS.. There seems to be no shortage of mutts naturally!!!!

Alf, don't post on this part of the board in any event. If you look on the left near the top, you'll see a place to post dogs for sale, the Classifieds. 

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I am only curious,
What makes a Shepdoodle any more appealing than a Standard Poodle or a German Shepherd Dog in pure bred form?

I remember someone running Standard Poodles in the Iditarod one year and thought that was just plain stupid.

Each breed has its purpose going back to its origins.

I just wondered is all.

 You're a funny guy Alf.  No, really.  You keep talking in vague generalities, and you think people are fooled, and really... not. 

I don't care if you were selling the supposed Jack Russell Terrier outright, or "rehoming" it.  It's not a Jack Russell Terrier -- it's a mix at best.  Only you're not confessing to that, either here or in the advert.  Why is it a tricolor Alf?  Where's the white on the body that *should* be present if it was a purebred like you're claiming.   Is it so difficult to be honest that you can't call it a mix in the ad, or are you just trying to get as much money for it as possible? Odd, that, considering it's "rehoming".  Surely a small earnest fee would be enough in that case.  (And by the way, the ad looks really silly in the "male German shepherds for sale" section.  You might want to move it to the JRT section)

I don't care how many generations of whatever you've bred or hadn't bred.  If you really were a breeder you'd know what I was asking for when I said health tests.  Your total failure to answer with any information to the contrary tells me you don't know, or don't care. 

Since you won't go into the dirty details, how about I lay them out for the audience?  

If you're looking to buy a poodle the following tests should have been performed to rule out certain conditions: Hip Dysplasia, Sebaceous Adenitis, Progressive Retinal Atrophy, von Willebrand's disease, and Thyroid. People on this forum know that anyone breeding German shepherd dogs should be testing for the illnesses I've bolded in the poodle list. 

Buying a dog from stock that hasn't been tested for these issues is asking for heartbreak, big vet bills, and possibly the loss of the dog.  Crossing breeds doesn't eliminate risks when they're present in both parent breeds. Since you've supposedly bred shepherds for five generations it should be easy for you to recite the hip scores for your breeding animals, and explain the rationalization of why a particular dog was mated to a poodle, and why that poodle was selected... no? Got an answer for me Alf on any of these questions, or are we going to be treated to more meaningless mumbling?

And as a final tip I'd advise that you confine discussion on the topic to a single thread -- you've started three so far all about the same thing.  If you you're logged in and have the thread open to read replies (which you're obviously doing)  then all you have to do is scroll down to the bottom of the page and you can reply in the box provided. 

Edited to add: I just saw Two Moon's question.  I can't answer for Alf here -- a lot of people breeding doodles are just doing it for $$$ because it's the latest thing.  The rationale behind producing Labradoodles, Goldendoodles, and (presumably) Shepadoodles by people legitimately interested in the dogs is to produce non-shedding service dogs.  Oddly enough, it seems like various crossbreds are better at being guide dogs for the blind, for example, rather than purebreds.  More than one group that I know of specifically breed their own Lab/Golden crosses for this reason.  The Australians have been working on Labradoodles for a while, and their multigenerational selected dogs really don't shed (though there's still no guarantee that a person won't be allergic, of course).  That's after careful selection over something like twelve generations, though.  When you're talking F1 or F2, it's very likely the dog will shed.

I had an accidental litter of "Shepadors" fiqures too, when it's an accident, the mom gives birth to an unusually large litter!

I saw a show on TV about how they breed Labs & Shepherds together to make the ultimate service dogs, I think it was in Norway, not really sure, but the dogs were tall and lanky looking, gave me an idea of what mine were going to grow up to be.

They were beautiful pups and all found good homes, but it was not my intention, and I have been very, very , very cautious never to let that happen again, the wierd part was after the pups went to their new homes, I got alot of calls asking if I was going to breed those two again, it was a boy yellow lab ofa good hips & elbows normal eyes, and a GSD good hips & elbows, all pups were solid black, here's pictures of them.


  




  I take back any of my dogs if people can't keep them for some reason or another, which also was the same for these guys,the same guarantee against serious health defects.

You can create a new looking breed within 3 to 5 generations, but you really have to set a standard or at the least goals for what you want that breed to become, health and temperament wise.

Health and temperament needs alot of careful study on both sides of the pedigree, and won't come together for many more generations.

  

Yeah, if you want a healthy, non-shedding service dog, I strongly recommend AmStaffs. Actually, the Guide Dogs for the Blind association is experimenting with Staffordshire Terriers: strong, clean, and the right size for kids.