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Very cool, Snaj, thanks for that. Group schutzhund! They weren't taking it nearly as GRIMLY as we do now. 

Good one snajper69!

I enjoyed watching.

Lee

Excellent.  Thank you for sharing!

Such snazzy dressers!  Great video, thanks for sharing.

Too cool,sometimes I wish I could of been from that era.

Excellent, That Helper was muffed up more than the Michelin Man on the TV, Good Stuff and the Guys were enjoying themselves
Steve1

I don't know how many of you actually notice but to me the old schutzhund was more of a test than what it is today. I really enjoyed some parts of the agility (jumps) that they had, agility to me is such a great way to test a lot of aspects of your dog that SCh can't. As well it looked like a decoy was wearing a suite (am I wrong about it) I think sleeve is not half as good equipment as suite is. As well the group obedience to me you really test your dog with that kind of distraction oppose to one man performing a routine. As well it looked like a good time to enjoy not just with dog people but with the whole word (families especially).

So my question to you is what happened with SCH? 

I myself choose not to title my dogs in SCH why because it became a sport and not evaluation test. I am a member of SCH club and train with the club, but opposed to many my dogs are worked on sleeve, suite, hidden sleeves etc. rather than just regular sleeve. As well I go out there and work my dog in agility (not the sport type) but we go out into the woods, kids park, and any other area that has some obstructions to test my dogs ability to navigate. Now if I would breed my dog (not that I am planning) why wouldn't I be able to state that my dogs are working dogs, since so many people on here jump on breeders that make that kind of claim on dogs that are not titled in one of the sport (just base one lack of SCH titles)? Is the SCH dog a true working dog? To me is not why because the sport misses so many aspects of real life, there is not enough variation in the sport to test the dog fully. I seen SCH dogs that can navigate through some of typical obstruction that are present in real life. I expect my dogs to jump over garbage cans, from tables to tables, into dumpsters (yeah I know but it is a good test, trust me there are more dogs that can't do it out there than you would think) and other things, now at the end of the day I can usually tell you which presented the biggest challenge to my dog. SCH can't do that. So how SCH dog can be called a working dog?

Lets keep this thing going and name few things that you would like to see in SCH opposed to what it is today. I myself thing that PSA is a better test than SCH, I still think that PSA should have tracking phase in it, but it tests the dog better than SCH ever will. What is your opinion what would you like to see in SCH?

Me for one I would like change the A frame , and hurdle to something more common that you see in ever day life (garbage cans, fences, brushes whatever. A frame well I think it should be more open more like a latter rather than what it is. As well I think the dog should be able to go over 6 feet high wall no excuses.

What are some of your thoughts? Let's keep this civilize this is not to trash any sport, because all the dog sports out there bring something good, just in different degrees and with different approach.

I disagree that schutzhund is not a fair evaluation of a dog's working ability but do not believe that it is the only discipline in which this can be accomplished.  The key word here is discipline; without specific standards, you have nothing against which to judge.  I also think that you'll find that many of the changes made, i.e., using an A-frame instead of a wall, were done to prevent injuries to the dogs that would permanently end their training/working careers.

using an A-frame instead of a wall, were done to prevent injuries to the dogs that would permanently end their training/working careers. lol b/s I think it was change because too many dogs could not do it lol. First of all you could have kept the wall and just put a platform behind it so the dog would not drop hard from 6ft and injure itself. So A frame is not even close to replace the wall. I seen dog that do A frame without a problem but could not scale a wall if their life dependent on it. But good try though.

"The key word here is discipline; without specific standards, you have nothing against which to judge." I think you missed the point I work my dog in SCH, and I compare my dog against SCh dog so I do have something to judge against, and a lot of time the comparison is not fair to the SCH dog. I seen SCH dog that could not work for shit, but still had SCh titles so what good is the discipline and standard if even shitters pass? 


I still stand where I stood, SCH dose not test environmental soundness in a dog, and to me it is the biggest mistake. Once again props for PSA which gets the point of environmental soundness 100% better than SCH.