SV RULE FOR WORKING CLASS - Page 1

Is DNA compulsory for working class or it s only compulsory for VA I mean the dog can place V without DNA.

the dog can do any thing in world if you pay some money

Clifford,
I think you reply is way out of line. Has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

Tiny,
the answer is not so easy. There is nothing in the regulations that your dog has to be DNA'ed for showing in the working classes at the Sieger Show, but...
The SV breeding regulations (Zuchtordnung) which were just amended to include long stockcoats and the new identification system state under 4.1.1. that all dogs born afte July 1, 1999 permitted for breeding have to be DNA'ed (a blood sample has to be stored with the lab under contract by the SV) and dogs from foreign countries which are used for breeding in Germany have to be DNA certified (the parents of said dog have to have a blood sample stored with the SV and therefore the dog used can be certified).
The breed survey regulations (Koerordnung) which were also just amended do not state a DNA sample/certification as a prerequisite to be admitted to a breed survey, but once you decide to breed with the dog it has to be done.
The whole process is going to be a mute point for breeders in Germany with the new identification which is starting January 1, 2010. All puppies bred in Germany will be chipped and a blood sample taken at the same time in the breeder's kennel before the puppy is sold. But... The blood sample will not be DNA certified, just stored. The new owner will pay the fee if he wants to have that certification. Great improvement for people from foreign countries who buy dogs or puppies in Germany. They will not have to go through the tedious process of sending the dog to a certified vet to get this sample done. They will simply request this done at the SV office and pay the necessary fee. This is all regulated now under 3.3. Zuchtodrnung (SV breeding regulations).
To answer your question and sum up:
No, your dog does not need a DNA to be shown, but a Sieger Show is a breed show and if your dog does not have all the prerequisites in place, it will reflect negatively upon the placement, if the owner resides in Germany or has intentions to use said dog for breeding in Germany (for example stud station for successful foreign bred males). Now, if you live outside of Germany and your dog is foreign born and you intend to remove the dog from Germany afterwards, it should not matter.

I do not see in the SV rules that there is a DNA requirement for a VA dog or any dog in a show, no matter what class.  If it is there, someone point it out to me where it is. 
http://www.schaeferhund.de/site/typo3conf/ext/nf_downloads/pi1/passdownload.php?downloaddata=151

It states on page 4 that VA dogs have to have a KKL1, perfect teeth, elbows (2006 and forward) and hips that have passed,  - must be a ScH2 and if they try to go VA a second time, must be a SchH3.  Nothing speaks there to DNA.

DNA is required only if you are breeding the dog and want the puppies registered with the SV.  Also there are two types of DNA designations - a 1 and a 2 - the 1 indicates the dog's DNA profile is on file and the 2 indicates it was matched with the parents.  You only have to have the 1 on the parents in order to breed and regster the pups.

The answer to your question is that there is no DNA requirement for a show rating of any type nor is there a requirement for DNA for a Koerung or working title for that matter.

(Chris's post happened at the same time mine did  - did not see it before I posted :)

Silbersee,

Your explanation is highly appreciated.

Hello,
Chris, as of July this year a dog has to be DNAed to take part in a breed survey, I know because our bitch didn't have it done and the Koermeister told us he could only do the breed survey if we sent in the blood before he sent in the paperwork for the breed survey, so we had to take the blood sample for DNA on the Monday following the breed survey(Saturday), inform the Koermeister that a DNA sample was taken, immediately send it to the SV, then the breed survey for Riva went through. 
A dog that is VA is Koerkl. 1, so a dog has to be DNAed to have a VA rating.
Bea

one day you guys will get it

Bea,
I thought the same thing. Plus, there was a discussion on the German board a while ago if I remember it correctly. So, when I answered here I wanted to make sure that the information was correct and I checked on the SV website:
The Koerordnung is from 2009 and they already included the changes for the long stockcoats in there: www.schaeferhund.de/site/typo3conf/ext/nf_downloads/pi1/passdownload.php 
The prerequisites to enter your dog for the breed survey are listed on 3.1. and there is no mentioning of a DNA certification or even storage:
3. Voraussetzungen zur Teilnahme an Körungen
3.1 Für die Hunde
Zur Körung zugelassen werden nur Deutsche Schäferhunde mit der Haarart „Stockhaar“ oder „Langstockhaar mit Unterwolle“, die im Zuchtbuch des Vereins eingetragen sind. Im Jahre der Körung müssen sie mindestens zwei Jahre alt werden.
– Nachweis mindestens einer SchH 1– oder IP 1–Prüfung unter einem SV–Leistungsrichterr, bestanden mit mindestens
80 Punkten in Abteilung C.
– Nachweis einer AD–Prüfung unter einem SV–Richter
– “a”–Stempel in der Ahnentafel
– ED-Stempel in der Ahnentafel (wenn sie nach dem 01.01.2004 geboren sind) (gültig ab Körsaison 2008)
– Nachweis einer Mindestzuchtbewertung “Gut” unter einem SV–Richter
Weitere Voraussetzungen:
– Kranke Hunde dürfen nicht vorgeführt werden;
– läufige Hündinnen sind dem Körmeister zu melden; dieser regelt die Teilnahme;
– der Hund muss anhand der Tätowier bzw. Chipnummer identifiziert werden können.
So, personally I think that the Koermeister himself was misinformed or there is a lot of confusion on that part. Again, when you talk to people in Germany, you get conflicting answers too. That is why I rely on the regulations written down in black and white.

Chris is correct - there is no mention of DNA or blut in the Körordnung. 

The requirements for blood and DNA are in the Breeding Regulations (Zuchtordung)

To Silbersee.
have the regulations fore longstockheir come from SV? have thy become a breed of there own in FCI or have they just disided to take them with on show? regards ånje