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by Invincible_bw on 06 December 2009 - 16:12
I Just wanted to share something with all you breeders to watch out. I bought a dog off Linmarc Kennels from Folirda about 3 years ago his name is Matt -Maxon Vom Linmarc. Anyways he passed away this morning. After I found out he had Persistent right Aortic Arch I had placed him in a pet home here in town. The owner was going to do the surgery but after finding out she might loose the dog and there was less of a chance of it being effective because he was older ( the surgery is more effective as young puppys because as they grow the esophagus stretches even more) she decided to give him a good life until the time came. Anyways she came into the grooming salon this morning crying saying she had lost the dog. She told me that last night he had vomited twice and looked like he wasn't feeling good. She said it didn't worry her because he's done this before ( he used to regurgitating his food because it would stay stuck in the esophagus). Anyways she stayed up with him the night and then by morning he re vomited twice but this time it was pure blood and then she said enough is enough! She called the vet and he told her to bring him in... They did a few test and he said that he should be fine and to get something to coat the esophagus. So she brought him back home and when she did he collapsed and blood started to gush out of this mouth. So she got her neighbor to help her carry him to the couch and when they did that she said blood started to gush out again but this time from both his mouth and nose (about 3 cups) . She said there was so much blood she doesn't even know how he could let go of so much blood. She said he stop breathing for about 2 mins.... and then started back again. She brought him over to the vets and he said there was nothing they could do for him and that he was probably aspirating. So there they put him down. For anyone this is dramatic to see.
I told Kennel (where i got him from) about his condition about a year ago when he was diagnose with PRAA (hereditary) and he told me he was not guaranteeing the dog either.. They breeding dogs with problems and not guaranteeing after it is hereditary. This dog is ONLY 3! It's wrong! Hes told me numerous of lies and has told me to lie about why I had placed Matt so he didn't have a bad name. Enough is enough I'm tired of his bull s*** and I think people need to hear it. Breeders like that shouldn't be breeding. Thats why theres so much garbage out there. I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of his mouth!
I have a letter from the veternairian Dr. Ed Butterworth that diagnose the dog stating what his conditions are and that the chances of surgery are very slim. If anyone wants to see it pm me.
I thought I would post this on the list because stuff that goes on like this needs to stop. The heartache as well that comes along with loosing your 3 yr old dog is devistating. We are trying to make the breed into a better breed not having dogs that are dying at the age of 3 from PRAA. Arko vom zwickauer Marksteig (sire) is still being used to be bred. They should be taking the precautions and neutering the dog after having this problem. The dam passed away during a C- Section. I don't know if its the two put together that produced this or whose the carrier but I would defiantly watch out with these bloodlines.
It's a load of crap.
Matt's Pedigree - http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/493513.html
Heres a few links on PRAA -
http://www.vetspecialistsofrochester.com/Surgery/Persistent_Right_Aortic_Arch_and_Other_Vascular_Ring_Anomolies.aspx
I told Kennel (where i got him from) about his condition about a year ago when he was diagnose with PRAA (hereditary) and he told me he was not guaranteeing the dog either.. They breeding dogs with problems and not guaranteeing after it is hereditary. This dog is ONLY 3! It's wrong! Hes told me numerous of lies and has told me to lie about why I had placed Matt so he didn't have a bad name. Enough is enough I'm tired of his bull s*** and I think people need to hear it. Breeders like that shouldn't be breeding. Thats why theres so much garbage out there. I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of his mouth!
I have a letter from the veternairian Dr. Ed Butterworth that diagnose the dog stating what his conditions are and that the chances of surgery are very slim. If anyone wants to see it pm me.
I thought I would post this on the list because stuff that goes on like this needs to stop. The heartache as well that comes along with loosing your 3 yr old dog is devistating. We are trying to make the breed into a better breed not having dogs that are dying at the age of 3 from PRAA. Arko vom zwickauer Marksteig (sire) is still being used to be bred. They should be taking the precautions and neutering the dog after having this problem. The dam passed away during a C- Section. I don't know if its the two put together that produced this or whose the carrier but I would defiantly watch out with these bloodlines.
It's a load of crap.
Matt's Pedigree - http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/493513.html
Heres a few links on PRAA -
http://www.vetspecialistsofrochester.com/Surgery/Persistent_Right_Aortic_Arch_and_Other_Vascular_Ring_Anomolies.aspx
by Invincible_bw on 06 December 2009 - 16:12
by 1doggie2 on 06 December 2009 - 16:12
I want to thank you. If they do not care enough about the dogs they are breeding and the people who love them then it should be brought out. If we would begin to make health issues public knowledge then we can improve the breed. You are also correct it might be the sire and the dam are carriers, I do not know enough about this, to know if only 1 side of the blanket can pass it along. For me even if only 1 side I would like to see them s/n, because you will get 2 again somewhere down the line, that is way to young to lose your friend. I am sorry for her.
by VomMarischal on 06 December 2009 - 17:12
Horrifying story. So sorry for all concerned, especially the dog.
by SitasMom on 06 December 2009 - 18:12
Arko vom zwickauer Marksteig (sire) and Peddy vom Gräfental (dam) and all of their prodigy will be added to my stay-away list, along with Linmarc Kennels
Thank you for sharing this very sad story.
Thank you for sharing this very sad story.
by Elkoorr on 06 December 2009 - 18:12
You are bringing some hard accusations to the table. why dont you post the letter, as well as the time and the symptoms he displayed. Last we heard you sounded so incredible happy with Maxon, and even bred him to Shawna (Nazi) last year. Didnt he show signs then? Did the puppies show any signs of Praa? So Maxon was diagnosed after being over 2 years old?
Why didnt you say anything earlier? This is a congenital defect with a possibility of inheritance, but this is just suspected and not proven. Its a far reach of yours to blame Arko. He has a decent amount of litters on the ground, and right now Maxon is the only one who got known to have had this problem. Peddy's dead has nothing to do with this at all. (she died at c-section after labor did not progress, all of the pups died as well in the following days, autopsy was ARDS) Also, the puppy contract covered inheritary diseases up to one year of age, not greater than 2 years of age.
I am unable to believe that Steve made you lie about a condition of one single dog. And lie to whom? There is just no necessity to do so for him. I am sorry that the current owner lost Maxon. But it would have been better from you to post more factual information instead of an angry letter with a whole lot of fuzzy blame.
It is very disapointing that you other guys jump on this and blame solely the breeder and Sire for things gone wrong. And yes, this is of interest to me as I am owning an Arko daughter as well and she is just fine!
Why didnt you say anything earlier? This is a congenital defect with a possibility of inheritance, but this is just suspected and not proven. Its a far reach of yours to blame Arko. He has a decent amount of litters on the ground, and right now Maxon is the only one who got known to have had this problem. Peddy's dead has nothing to do with this at all. (she died at c-section after labor did not progress, all of the pups died as well in the following days, autopsy was ARDS) Also, the puppy contract covered inheritary diseases up to one year of age, not greater than 2 years of age.
I am unable to believe that Steve made you lie about a condition of one single dog. And lie to whom? There is just no necessity to do so for him. I am sorry that the current owner lost Maxon. But it would have been better from you to post more factual information instead of an angry letter with a whole lot of fuzzy blame.
It is very disapointing that you other guys jump on this and blame solely the breeder and Sire for things gone wrong. And yes, this is of interest to me as I am owning an Arko daughter as well and she is just fine!
by firefly on 06 December 2009 - 18:12
Elkoorr why don't you have your female tested for PRAA? This info would be reason enough for me to get a dog tested.
by Jenni78 on 06 December 2009 - 18:12
Ladies and gentlemen...
As with most things in life, there is MUCH more to this story.
Question for breeders...how many of you would replace a dog THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN BRED, and HAD BEEN SOLD, due to a SUPPOSEDLY inherited condition?
This is a very sad thing, indeed. The problem is the circumstances surrounding it. Guarantees generally only extend to the original owner, stipulate that the dog has not been bred prior, mandate that the dog be returned, and if lucky, go to 24mos. If NONE of these conditions are met, just what is the breeder supposed to do to be considered "honorable???"
As with most things in life, there is MUCH more to this story.
Question for breeders...how many of you would replace a dog THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN BRED, and HAD BEEN SOLD, due to a SUPPOSEDLY inherited condition?
This is a very sad thing, indeed. The problem is the circumstances surrounding it. Guarantees generally only extend to the original owner, stipulate that the dog has not been bred prior, mandate that the dog be returned, and if lucky, go to 24mos. If NONE of these conditions are met, just what is the breeder supposed to do to be considered "honorable???"
by Jenni78 on 06 December 2009 - 18:12
Hey, Sitasmom...Peddy is dead. Don't worry about her "prodigy." I think you meant PROGENY. ;-)
by Invincible_bw on 06 December 2009 - 19:12
He displayed regurgitating and throwing up. Unexperienced and just starting off in breeding didn't realize and thought he was throwing up because he was extremely picky with his food and would go without eating and I thought he was doing that beacause of a empty stomach until someone seen him do it and said I should get him checked. Thats when I did.
Last we heard you sounded so incredible happy with Maxon, and even bred him to Shawna (Nazi). Didnt he show signs then? -Iwas very happy with the dog he was a beautiful dog and like i said above I didn't realize only until after I had did the breeder. Out of my luck she ended up having a false pregnancy thank god!
Why didnt you say anything earlier? This is a congenital defect with a possibility of inheritance, but this is just suspected and not proven. Its a far reach of yours to blame Arko. He has a decent amount of litters on the ground, and right now Maxon is the only one who got known to have had this problem. - I've never said anything before when i found out because Steve told me not to say anything. When I took the dog off my website I had people emailing me to ask me what had happend to the dog. One was Tammy that owns Miya and myself don't lie I told tammy exactly what was going on and I told her steve had told me to lie to her.
I am unable to believe that Steve made you lie about a condition of one single dog. And lie to whom? There is just no necessity to do so for him. I am sorry that the current owner lost Maxon. But it would have been better from you to post more factual information instead of an angry letter with a whole lot of fuzzy blame. - This isn't a angry letter I think people should know if theres a health problem in one of the lines. That what makes us better breeders... ?
Last we heard you sounded so incredible happy with Maxon, and even bred him to Shawna (Nazi). Didnt he show signs then? -Iwas very happy with the dog he was a beautiful dog and like i said above I didn't realize only until after I had did the breeder. Out of my luck she ended up having a false pregnancy thank god!
Why didnt you say anything earlier? This is a congenital defect with a possibility of inheritance, but this is just suspected and not proven. Its a far reach of yours to blame Arko. He has a decent amount of litters on the ground, and right now Maxon is the only one who got known to have had this problem. - I've never said anything before when i found out because Steve told me not to say anything. When I took the dog off my website I had people emailing me to ask me what had happend to the dog. One was Tammy that owns Miya and myself don't lie I told tammy exactly what was going on and I told her steve had told me to lie to her.
I am unable to believe that Steve made you lie about a condition of one single dog. And lie to whom? There is just no necessity to do so for him. I am sorry that the current owner lost Maxon. But it would have been better from you to post more factual information instead of an angry letter with a whole lot of fuzzy blame. - This isn't a angry letter I think people should know if theres a health problem in one of the lines. That what makes us better breeders... ?
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