USCA. new admens, whats it really about? - Page 1

so.  the admendments have been voted on and passed.   i was against it, and so where a lot of others.   i have heard that there were some good points made on behalf of the "one club" ruling.  too bad we didnt hear about them before the meeting.  

my questions are.........

1-  what was said at the meeting to persuade people to vote for it?
2,   why didnt we hear more about the supports and their reasons before the GBM?
3   what was it really about?    dogs, breeding standards, politics, WUSV teams,  fear of the "other"   organization, money (or the loss of it)?
4- why havent we heard from those who supported it before and since it has passed?

something is rotten in the state of USCA.  

john

i am a nobody and know nothing, but.......... i did hear some conversation.  since wda is affiliated with gsdca, it would seem some people fear that the fate of the workingdog might be the same as the american lines.  i'm not agreeing or disagreeing.  i do understand the concern, but not sure if they have found a reasonable answer that won't develop into more problems.
pjp

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 The GSDCA-WDA does promote the AKC standard of the german shepherd dog.There is no question about it just go to there web site it,s in print.

jletcher18:

                           Those are all good questions now lets see if we can get them answered. 
 

Maybe you did not hear the reasons from those supporting it, because the purely emotional, "knee-jerk" reaction that "they can't tell me what to do" and 'this is just about the team" made it appear that it would be a waste of time and effort to attempt to actually discuss the issue.

There were many fine points made that day. First let me tell those who think that "one member-one vote" is good... you don't vote your president in (electoral college does that), you don't vote for laws (your elected senators and reps do that)... so the GBM is your elected representatives, your law makers. Second at the GBM you get debate, you get the chance to add admendments or to change the wording or change the process of the proposed bylaw/admendment/rule. You could never do these things in a timely manner with 1-1. It is your duty to elect and send a representative to the GBM that works in your/clubs best interest... those clubs that don't send a rep for the one time a year event, then you have no voice in the matter, you chose not to be heard. Everyone even those not affiliated with the club has the right to let their EB or RD know their opinions. These are your "elected" voices... if you don't like their position then elect someone else. This is the "American Way". One member - one vote is not American, it is AKC!!!

The USA has been working their butts off trying to work out a deal with the WDA and GSDCA, only to be stabbed in the back again and again. I am tired of the USA trying to work with people that don't want to give back the same effort. USA is the premier german shepherd and schutzhund organization in the United States. I for one will not let USA be back doored and pushed aside without a fight. I say get on board or get out of the way! I belive in the preservation of the German Shepherd Dog and it's working heritage, and their is only one club in the US that belives in that at this time, that is USA.

Nia, you and I have been friends and will continue to be friends no matter what our idealogy is.  But as bright and articulate as you are - that was unfair to post.

You and I have talked many times, and Lyle's letter was not on point with anything direct that would threaten USA to the point the wagons had to be circled and you were either a Hatfield of McCoy.  USA is no more going to be kicked out of WUSV than is GSDCA.

It was posted somewhere that Pia gave a good speach for the amendment.  Then I see that Pia sold a dog to Johannes which he competed with at the national.  Ok, maybe that was coincidence.  But still I would like to hear what Pia had to say.

When membership in GSDCA or WDA obviously is not a cost to USA, meaning there is no financial loss to USA to people with dual memberships - these people are paying a supporting both clubs by definition - there goes the reason that USA wants more membership fees.  The already have them.

There is nothing disclosed that USA will dissolve if people belong to other clubs in addition to USA, that there is any problem with their WUSV membership.  Sure the Laike suggestion from last year's WUSV newsletter that eventually WUSV would like clubs to combine - but there is certainly nothing in writing on that or any WUSV amendments that mandate that.

This USA amendment does not preclude people from PARTICPATING in GSDCA or WDA trials or shows up to the National WUSV Qualifier, (though now I posted that, I guess that amendment will be coming :)  It is directly aimed at excluding people with dual memberships who particpate at the WUSV Team Qualifying level.  That's all it affects other than trying to halt membership fee income of the dual members to WDA - even less belong to GSDCA.

So as it appears to me, we are supposed to donate for example as I have done, money to put USA shows and trials I have  competed in to put them  in the black, trophies, judges releases,  airfares, portapotties, advertising, other fund raising items, donations to send teams both personal and to the organziations, but yet be restricted to what clubs I belong to all for the sake of controlling top level competitors.  While I do appreciate their abilities, I really don't think the grass roots are in this just to support a team. 

As none of these organizations pay my bills, mortgages and its pretty obcvious a portion of my income goes to them, I am hard pressed to undertand the "oh, by the way, keep sending us money, but we are going to tell you how to spend your other money" .  This goes the same way for people like Yvette who donated countless hours.

The other part of trying to stop other clubs from receiving income is that its just poor sportsmanship.  People don't win (meaning lose) usually because they are not the best.  With sportsmanship, you become the best by working hard to be the best.  You don't have to shoot the competition to be the best. The I am the Best but by the way I am the Only One doing this just does not fly in importance or standing.  And this isn't even shooting the competition direct, this is shooting your own members if they don't only date USA.  Like I said in another post, when I dated, it was very creepy when a guy got so possessive, showed lack of self confidence.  And this does not lose its creepiness just because its an dog organization.

I am not a champion of any of the organziation - they all do some things right and they really scew up on others. From a business perspective you shake your head in disbeleif much of the time.  But it is unpatently unfair when any organization does not explain itself.  Its the "your jus

Sticking my neck out here......isn't it UScA who just told all members we must be either all the way for them or all the way against them? 

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I am not a champion of any of the organziation - they all do some things right and they really scew up on others. From a business perspective you shake your head in disbeleif much of the time. But it is unpatently unfair when any organization does not explain itself. Its the "your just little people, shut up and send the money, you wouldn't understand, let the all knowing run this".

Also, and I am no fan of American GSD's, but 80% of the dogs involved in GSDCA are performance dogs - and if anyone would bother to look, they are agility, tracking, herding, obedience and their rallys. There are a ton of German line dogs in these, some with even SchH titles. There also is an influx of German lines even into the show dogs - they are not stupid people. Furthermore, the WDA shows and trials do go by the WUSV standard or the judges could not judge here and give out SV titles, Koerungs etc.

Furthermore, and this goes for the SV and the RSV2000 - no one has ever been restricted by any organziation from breeding better dogs. You are free with ANY organization to do so including the AKC. No one says, hey wait a minute, you are breeding better than the guidelines, you are in time out, stop, boy you are in big trouble now.

So back to the point - before everyone makes their decision to stay or go, it would be the high road to really disclose exactly and specifically what threat any of the other organziations are to the existence of USA that would make this a life or death situation for people to cut off income to the other clubs while still sending money, and all the other time donations others make to USA? Why can't this be public knowledge? What is so threatening to USA's existence? If GSDCA has some secret mission and is going to cause the demise of USA, it needs to be laid out and disclosed. If not, then its pretty obvious this whole thing was to control about 10 handlers and dogs that go to the WUSV.