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by eichenluft on 22 October 2009 - 22:10

15 month old GSD male - opinions about structure of the hip joint formation, also opinions on if this dog will be ok/sound to do normal obedience and agility work.

by mimi on 22 October 2009 - 23:10

The right hip is better than the left hip.

The left femoral head is not seated deeply into the socket...I'm not sure this dog would pass OFA.
Normal obedience could be ok, agility, I don't know...

That's my opinion, let's see what others think. You might want to send the x-rays to the OFA for a prelim evaluation.

by Bob-O on 22 October 2009 - 23:10

I agree that the joint conformation is a bit different, side-to-side. That is not unusual. The positioning is not too bad, and the knees are rotated inward as they should be. I do not see excessive laxity present, and the pelvic socket shows to have 50% coverage but little more.

I think the positioning could be a bit better, and I think these hips should pass as O.F.A. "fair" or S.V. "a" fast Normal. And there is nothing wrong with either rating as both are passing scores.

Continue to raise the dog correctly, and try for a final score at just over twenty-four (24) months of age. And, let us all know how you fared.

Good Luck!
Bob-O

by B.Andersen on 23 October 2009 - 02:10

The heads on the femurs show wear and are not round and smooth. Never know with OFA I say mild . On this board I have seen OFA mild go A1 when submitted all depends on who OFA decides to send them to .I have seen several A2 from Germany go OFA Good so if submitted to OFA ?. I think the dog will be ok to work i have seen a lot worse in working dogs.

by Prager on 23 October 2009 - 03:10

Dog should not have any problems during his working life. It probably will not pass OFA but it may. What they will get you on are the flat spots on the femoral heads. Feed him meat. Make him swim. I call this "working hips". Dog will work OK most if not all life. But I would not breed it. I once send to OFA 4 identical hips x rays and got OFA Good 2x,OFA fair 1x, OFA mild 1x. Go figure.

Prager (Hans)
http://www.alpinek9.com

by Bob-O on 23 October 2009 - 03:10

B. Andersen, you are probably talking about the "flat" areas of the femoral balls. Why some dogs have these, I am not sure. I have a male who has very nice pelvic sockets and tight joint conformation, and the "flat" areas of his femoral balls are quite pronounced - moreso than other dogs whose radiographs I have viewed. I was a bit concerned when I saw the shape of the femoral balls, but this particular male recieved a rating of O.F.A. "good".

I am very accustomed to observing femoral balls that are quite round to as round as a ball, and it is a bit unusual to see them in this shape configuration. It does catch your eye!

Wishing good luck for a passing score,
Bob-O

by Prager on 23 October 2009 - 17:10

What you are talking about is the place where are attached the ligaments. We do evaluation of hips at 2 years because cartilage is not visible on the x rays and thus we wait until it gets all ossified. If you would x ray a pup 8 weeks old, the hips would look horrible because you can not see the cartilage which is all is there at that age. I have just today seen good hips of 16 mo old dog. And I am enclosing it. Also I have said above feed meat and make him swim. To that would have to add also keep him slim. You should be able to see his last two ribs. Also do not feed him food which makes him grow too fast which many commercial dog foods do. High protein food. Especially so called "Premium" dog foods. I know breeder who says that if the GSD is 60 lb in 5 mo it will have bad hips. I tend to agree. I recommend raw or cooked diet. I
Prager (Hans)
http://www.alpinek9.com

by Sunsilver on 23 October 2009 - 18:10

It is difficult to see details on the photo you posted, Molly, but to my eye, the right hip appears to be more than 50% out of the socket, and the ball joint shows remodelling. The pelvis is very slightly slanted towards the left, which may account for the hips looking different from each other. However, when I look as closely as I can at the left hip, it appears to be about the same as the right, just at a slightly different angle.

I would wait to see what OFA says, but personally, I would not do agility with this dog.

Prager, those are about the best hips I've ever seen! We all should be so lucky, eh?

Bet they go OFA Excellent!

by Prager on 23 October 2009 - 18:10

These are hips of a police dog which I have sold to Sheriff dept here. Super excellent working dog and explosive detection dog and patrol dog. And, as you can see, super hips. Unfortunately dog has no papers.

Prager(Hans)
http://www.alpinek9.com

by Held on 23 October 2009 - 18:10

Prager, i like this dog looks quite intense and love the markings.Have a nice one.

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