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 Well, Here is the problem. I had a female named Yessi Von Der Fangschleuse..She disappeared out of the pedigree database. I unkowingly sold her to a puppy mill I believe. The guy and his wife presented themselves as a normal couple looking for a Shepherd. Now before they picked her up, my vet did some kind of gene test that he requested. He went away and I haven't heard about her till today. Apparently the owner is trying to sue me for the cost of her which I charged him $500 and a $400 vet bill, a total of $900. His vet is saying she was a mixed breed Shepherd. Nobody has given me proof of what this vet is saying, his collection agent is telling me all this. Now she had pink SV papers and know the breeder in Germany pretty good, Friedhelm Bark. There is no way that he bred a mixed breed and she was a full blood Shepherd. Her only problem was her one ear was soft. I am just very confused on what to do hear. I am not a breeder and have no urge to ever breed. She was tattooed and everything. I believe I have the number of her registration number somewhere around in my file box. I believe her ear never went up and he is pissed off and possibly put her down or something and is now trying to recoup his loss from her out of me. He knew about her ear before he took her away and she was only 5 months old at that time. Can someone explain how she just disappeared out of the pedigree database? Also how do I go upon getting proof from the SV that she was a full blooded Shepherd and this guy had no idea what he was doing? Thanks guys...Chris

It looks like the name of the dog was changed or edited somehow. (Yasmin)

Go to this link and read your comment.

www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/587756.html

I tried entering the sz number listed on the above link at the SV zw number search - it came up empty.

I also entered the name Fangschleuse at the SV zw Zwinger search and found a bunch of dogs but no Yessi.

www.schaeferhunde.de/site/index.php?/id=688

Do you have a copy of the papers? ( if not, get one from them)

Then you should be able to contact the SV for more info, or have someone help you.

There might be some other way to check at the SV site, but my German is lacking.

Lee

If the female is S.V.-registered, the chances are quite good that she is a purebred GSD! I guess that one might try to pull a fast one; but the breed warden who was required to visit the litter and the tattooer who came later would surely know if there was a serious discrepancy.

I wish that I had a single good answer but I have only questions! To prove lineage, a DNA test will be required of not only this female, but her parents as well. This will not be cheap and it will not be quick. But what else is one to do? Hire an attourney for a small claims matter? I think not, unless you plan to countersue. And even a successful countersuit would be expensive; if but for the loss of your valuable time. Do you maintain a copy of the original pedigree as well as any other supporting information? Do you have a signed contract for the sale? If you must go to court, be aware that the judge can be a hardass and ask for a notarized translation.

A pedigree can be easily removed from the pedigree database these days. Lesshideaway, one will not find this female in the HD ZW databse of the S.V. unless she recieved a passing "a" stamp. Dogs who are not examined or who did not pass will not show in this database. You will find them on the S.V. Genetics CD-Rom that is published each quarter and available from the online store of the S.V.. You are right - she can contact the S.V. and ask for a duplicate pedigree.

It sounds as if this guy did not like what he bought - for whatever reason. It may be the ear; it may be hips or elbows; the female may be sterile; it may be that he just wants a "free" breeding bitch. His veterinarian may be one who is not familiar with West-German type GSD's (or any purebred dogs for that matter) and cannot determine her true breed. I don't mean to pick on the veterinarian, but some are much better than others in the practice of their craft and in certain specific areas such as canine care.

So in the end; what would I do? I would avoid any contact with this individual and wait to see if I received a legal summons. In the meantime, I would prepare for battle with as much documentation as necessary and hopefully prepare for nothing. I would also try to find out what has happened to the female - quietly, of course.

Good Luck, and let us know what happens,
Bob-O

Sabine at the SV in Germany is my personal contact,  and has been awesome to work with.
My suggestion is send an email to the contact info below with all of your information and questions , and it will at least get your initial questions answered .
Best regards
Sabine

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Verein für Deutsche Schäferhunde (SV) e.V.
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Tel.: +49 821 74002-59
Fax: +49 821 74002-9959
www.schaeferhunde.de

In Consus' link Yessi's sibling has a snow nose/lacks pigment.  If Yessi developed this, along with the soft ear, I can see why someone unknowledgeable may question if she is a purebred.  I would be curious if their DNA test was simply one of those you send away for that are supposed to test what breeds of dog she has in her.  If so, gather the information you can on the accuracy of those, so if needed you can show the judge that they are NOT reliable.  IF on the other hand, you agreed at time of sale to refund the buyer's money provided the DNA test your vet did came back saying that she wasn't purebred, and it did, then I would say you are still obligated to refund it even though it is likely incorrect.  Good luck.

If somebody wishes to enter the info about the entire litter:

Litter: Quentin von der Fangschleuse X Sirka vom Wolkenstein: SZ-numbers 2228320-2228327 born 20/11/2008:

Males
2228320: Yankee
-321 Young Rico
-322 Yukon

Females
-323 Yasmin
-324 Yessi
-325 Ylvi
-326 Yolli
-327 Yuma

E-mail me through my website (www.bloggen.be/hd) if you need help.

Bye!
Jantie

I agree, it does sound like one of those questionalbe outfits that supposedly tell you what breeds are in your dog. I have seen only a few dogs who have had those tests done and the results have been 100% laughable in each case. The funniest was a dobe/pitbull mix. The "genetic test" said it was a chihuahua, beagle,St. Bernard mix.

As I've mentioned before, my friend's AKC champion APBT came back Border Collie. Uh huh. Those outfits look for seriously lame markers, I think. The only thing Savvy has in common with a Border Collie is black and white markings.