What I love and hate about Sch........ - Page 1

This one's for you Bob, just so there is no mis-conceptions............

What I love about Sch...........

1) The control and beautiful OB. Top level Sch Ob is an absolute thing of beauty.

2) Tracking--This aspect of the sport preserves a very benificial trait in a working dog. I have seen Police dogs who were started in Sch who both track and air scent. They are impressive. In my opinion a dog that can track, are far superior in locating suspects when it comes to police service work, than dogs who only air scent.

3) That it is large enough and popular enough that many people can actually do a bite work dog sport.

4) I like watching the dogs run the blinds. Esp if they are fast and do not slow down when they round them.

5) Long sends are always fun to watch.

What I hate about Sch........

1) The stuck up, snobby ass attitude of many who participate in it. Mostly how they talk shit about all other sport venues. Don't get me wrong, I have met some very nice people at Sch events and there are some stuck up people in other sport venues, but nowhere near like some of the hard chargin' Sch folks.

2) The jumps are too easy.

3) I can't stand the fact that it is a pattern, with the same excercise performed at neausium.

4) There is no environmental stressors or testing of the dog. (I have the same complaint about French Ring)

5) Overall the bite work portion is not a great test of the dog, except maybe at the highest levels.

So in case anyone was curious about my actual opinion of the sport. I just got irritated when someone accuses me of bashing a sport or venue. I may poke a little fun, and frankly out of all the bitework dog sports, Sch is my least favorite, but I admire it for what it is and admire anyone who spends enough time and effort to title. As someone who has titled a dog before, I know first hand the commitment it takes to achieve that acomplishment and would never take that away from anyone, not matter what the sport.

Most of the time, if I say something negative about the sport, it is the fact that the bitework is not that great of a test. That combined with the scoring can allow for some pretty shitty dogs to get titled. Then those dogs get bred, Then...........well we all know the rest

I second this thought!!!


What I hate about Sch........

1) The stuck up, snobby ass attitude of many who participate in it. Mostly how they talk shit about all other sport venues. Don't get me wrong, I have met some very nice people at Sch events and there are some stuck up people in other sport venues, but nowhere near like some of the hard chargin' Sch folks.

You both make me laugh:

                                                       Ya Schutzhund is the only people with attitude problems....hahaha.

    i'm not saying all sch. people, in fact, most are rather helpful and pleasant. There are however a few that like nothing better than to attack and insult others.
    They hand out insults a lot more freely, than they do advice.

No, no it's not but it deffinatly leads the pack in that aspect and a HUGE reason I don't participate in the sport, at least in my area. Some people just take themselves waaay too seriously.

and some people are clueless: 

                                                                  But thats okay, it takes lots of people to row the boat.

Yes some are clueless, not sure why you get so personal when someone doesn't worship the sport. A least the OP likes something about Schutzhund and posted it.

I find this very interesting.  I have never seen multiple threads started by schutzhund people about what's wrong with  or why they think other grip sports are shit.  If they are out there, would someone please link me to them?    Nor have I ever heard schutzhund people at trials  going on and on ad nauseum with what they think is wrong with other grip sports.    Please, before you get started it's not because they don't think there is no room for improvement in other sports. 

I also have never seen great droves of  people who are snotty or mean to newcomers or outsiders at trials or at club training. Of course there are snotty people, but there are snotty people in every avenue of life.   I would guess that if someone came to a trial who was not involved in the sport and spent their time at that event telling everyone who would listen what they didn't like about schutzhund, it could get a little snotty and defensive too - but  who could blame them!?

 Kitkat if I recall, you went to ONE trial and afterwards you were very complimentary about the way you were treated at that trial.   

If you don't like schutzhund, then fine move on and find something you do like.  For those of you who want to complain you have to do schutzhund in order to breed survey your GSDs for breeding, your chief complaint always seems to be that schutzhund is way too easy, your sport is so much harder, so there you go.  Get that pesky schH1 when you want to get a breedsurvey, it should be no problem for you it's so easy, won't take any time at all.  Then you can get back to your "real" and perfect sports. 

I have seen those droves Susan. Went to a couple clubs where not one person came over and said hi or introduced themsleves, watched as not one member supported another with words of encouragment, when another member left the field. I left thinking...this isn't fun. And thats the best club around. I have however driven 3 hrs 1 way to a great club that embraced us like old friends not caring that we came from another venue. I just wish I had the time and gas to do it twice a week.

I'm sorry, 4Pack, that sucks and is wrong.  Some people take themselves WAAAAAAAAAAY too seriously.  The unfortunate thing is as you know, schutzhund is the most popular grip sport, but that's only compared to the other grip sports!  If I had to make a high school analogy I would have to say grip sports as a whole  in the USA are like the chess club, not understood or liked by the rest of the school and completely ridiculed by the popular clicks (I wonder who are the popular kids - AKC agility or maybe doggie freestyle dancing???  )  So I guess bad clubs with snotty members stick out like a sore thumb because there just aren't that many clubs in the first place.

The truth of the matter is all grip sport afficianados need to stick together in the USA, especially in this age of PETA and the current climate of breed ban and dangerous dog  legislation that seems to have swept the nation.   We actually need each other, now more than ever.