does 1 plus 1 equal 2? adrie/amanda - Page 1

So, does anyone know Donna Rednour? can she shed some light on WHO she sold Adrie too?
sorry, but ignorance to the condition is no excuse!

by Bob McKown on 26 September 2009 - 22:09 Bob McKown

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kitkay:

Donna sold Adrie to Lorenzo but was never paid for her and Donna still holds the papers on Adrie, What else do you want to know.

(3 days before it was asked who owned Adrie and Amanda)

North Central Regional Championship this weekend!
by Donna Rednour on 15 September 2009 - 23:09 Donna Rednour

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Would be nice to have that kind of money and entries to have 3 judges at one time. But then for the few entries they would be drinking too much beer! Historically this region does not have large entries to consider having multiple judges.

by eichenluft on 25 September 2009 - 14:09 eichenluft

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The dogs are dead. Sounds like they both were suffering with very little chance of recovery and even if someone had tried to help them - in their situations that was financially and realistically not possible. Someone cared for the dogs enough to try to rehome them when their owner abandoned them.

by Bob McKown on 25 September 2009
Now as far as Adrie is concerened I don,t think she was even in the mix. When I frist replied to the original thread of Amanda she was the dog I mistook for Adrie

by eichenluft on 25 September 2009
IMO as an "outsider looking in" and with the information I have received - the two people who last "held" these two dogs did right by them. One fed and cared for them as best he could while waiting for the owner to get them back -

by Held on 25 September 2009 - 18:09 Held

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Two dogs did not get the help they needed and every one who let these dogs get to this point is responsible.These dogs did not get help they just got put to sleep

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Ower of the dog 2 dogs is Lorenzo WILLIAMS of House haus kennels ( No longer in the dog world )

He left the sate as he has warrants for his arrest in the sate of Ohio and also has alot of people he owes pups and or dogs and money to .

Lorenzo WILLIAMS was keeping all of his dogs at Bill Morris 1680 Reinhard Ave, Columbus OH 43206 in Bills apartment in the basement in crates for 23 hours a day , when Lorenzo WILLIAMS got warrants and was not able to give people the pups or dogs or money he owes them he Ran , He Ran to memphis TN , is what I am told by this Bill Morris , He left Amanda & Adrie in the care of Bill , Bill has asked Lorenzo WILLIAMS many times by e-mail and phone to come and get them , he would not come and get them , He left them there with Bill for over 1&1/2 years , Bill did feed the dogs as well as he could , but he gave them No vet care for over 1 & 1/2 years , He had to move out of his apartment and he could not take the dogs , On Sep. 15 he put an add on http://columbus.craigslist.org/pet/ , someone that knows Timothy Helser emaild the add to Timothy Helser that person emaild Bill and got a Number for Timothy Helser to Call Bill , on the night of Sep 15 Timothy Helser called Bill and found out that the dogs was Amanda & Adrie , So Timothy set up a time to meet Bill at his apartment at 1130am on the 16th of Sep. 09 , Timothy went and got the dogs and called the vet on the way home as they were in bad shape , So He got Adrie into the vet first , as he knew Amanda was bad and he wanted his own vet to look at her in the Am on the 17th as he knew the vet well , So Adrie was 8 years old and was acting like a 16 year old dog , the vet said she has mange , and hart worms bad and other things wrong with her , so she was put down ,
So Timothy took Amanda home , made her as comfortable as he could for the night , He did post on here in the early AM asking for help for vet care for Amanda , he also at the same time asked EurosportK9 for help as they was the seller and importer of amanda to the USA , Amdana went to the vet in the AM and was put down as she was too bad off to save , Timothy Helser did not do this to them , he Resued them and got them into the Vet ASAP , Amanda could not be aved they was looking at the cost of $1,500 and up to save her and the vet could not say 100% that she would make it out ok , Adrie would have not made it out of treatmet ... so they was put down , end of story ,

Timothy Helser has Video , Pictures , Vet paper work , e-mails and phone info \


The people that let dogs get this bad is Lorenzo WILLIAMS ower of the dogs and this man who was keeping the dogs here is his info

Bill Morris and Lorenzo WILLIAMS their contact info will be given to the right people ( police -dog pound ) ONLY

Thank you Danny for setting this straight.   4 threads is certainly enough.  Alot of people owe Tim an apology.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/457977.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/409046.html


Here is a Picture of the Two dogs hours before they was put down , they just got a bath ,

I agree with Red Sable.

gsdDanny01
SO YOUR SAYING THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.Timothy went and got the dogs and called the vet on the way home as they were in bad shape , So He got Adrie into the vet first , as he knew Amanda was bad and he wanted his own vet to look at her in the Am on the 17th as he knew the vet well , So Adrie was 8 years old and was acting like a 16 year old dog , the vet said she has mange , and hart worms bad and other things wrong with her , so she was put down ,
So Timothy took Amanda home , made her as comfortable as he could for the night .

But as you state in your post below,apparently before either dog saw a vet they were given a bath and a picture was taken. Maybe its just me , but It seems like theres a little contradiction in your explanation of how this whole scenario plays out. Seems to me your saying ADRIE SAW A DIFFERENT VET THEN TIMS OWN VET THAT HE WANTED AMANDA TO SEE. MAYBE BEING IN SUCH BAD SHAPE WHEN TIM PICKED THEM UP, HE THOUGHT A BATH AND PHOTOGRAPH WERE IN ORDER BEFORE A VET TRIP. THIS SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER SMOKE AND MIRROR BULLSHIT POST TO ME. YOU TELL US DANNY, DID ADRIE GO DIRECTLY TO THE VET WHERE SHE WAS PTS OR DID SHE GO FOR A BATH AND PHOTO SHOOT AND THEN TO THE VET TO BE PTS.



Here is a Picture of the Two dogs hours before they was put down , they just got a bath ,

They were given a bath and then PTS? OMG -the only solid fact in this murky, miserable story seems to be that both these lovely girls were horribly neglected and lost their lives as a result. Makes me want to weep. One hopes there is a special place in hell for people like Lorenzo Williams, but they don't seem to get there fast enough. I also am not giving any kudos to Bill Morris - when it was apparent that the owner wasn't going to return for the girls he should have tried to find help/rescue for them, not let them languish in crates getting sicker and sicker. As far as I'm concerned he is/was part of the problem.

I  would believe that pointing finger's and placing blame , is irrelevant at this point ?,but if it make's you feel better ...?

I don't believe for one half a microsecond that those two dogs in that photo were only hours later so damn sick they had to be put down. What a crock of horsesh!t. 

Come on.   You can't tell how sick a dog is by it's looks!  One had a tumor, the other a bad case of heart worms, mange, and other issues.  There can be serious things wrong on the inside that don't show on the outside.  The dogs were obviously well fed.