some things not right here-adrie/amanda - Page 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uye7BcO0Lz4&feature=player_embedded
      Alright, here is video of a 5 month old Adrie pup in 2008. looks like a splendid prospect for schutzhund.
Tiekerhook sire attached to the pup. All the names connected to these dogs, are well associated with sch clubs, members, etc.,,,
     WHY IS NO-ONE coming forward to state where these dogs were, or WHO OWNED and had possession of them?
We seen the pics of Amanda Canyon, and know of how she met her demise, What happened to Adrie vom Bibelenfeld?
Could her condition have been worse than Amanda's, and that is why no pics of her were displayed?
    I received an anonomous e-mail this morning from some one asking to to keep on the pursuit of this, and I will try to the best of my ability to find out what I can. I can't do it alone.
     Some here have time to look up pics of hock-walkers and skinny dog ads, others are more concerned with the laws of why you can't own an unspayed dog if your a felon, while others think about what songs are being sung to Obama...
How about a little time to find out WHAT HAPPENED TO THESE TWO DOGS?????
      And it's only my business, because I'm making it my business. Any one care to help?
(I'm NOT saying that no-one else is looking into this, because I'm sure several are, obviously at least ONE other is...
the e-mail I got didn't send itself to me.)
       It don't matter if you like me or not. I feel i'm trying to do the right thing. if you have any info and don't want to display it here, forward it on to someone !!!

The dogs are dead.  Sounds like they both were suffering with very little chance of recovery and even if someone had tried to help them - in their situations that was financially and realistically not possible.   Someone cared for the dogs enough to try to rehome them when their owner abandoned them.  Someone else cared enough to release them from their suffering as quickly as they could.

I am told Adrie was very ill with sarcoptic mange and heartworm, and her mind had "gone loose".   Blame should fall on the person who abandoned them in the first place, that person could have placed them with the people who would have given them the life they deserved - he chose not to do that.  His choice was the cause of these dogs' issues.  It was not fair what happened to these dogs, but in the end they received the care that they both needed - and that is the end of the story.

molly

Okay I,ll post this once and I,m done. It,s not easy tracing a dog that has been tossed around like a baseball no one here is going to do it in a day,week,month it.s just not as easy as typing on a key board.

When I started looking for Adrie I spoke with several who owned from the last litter(if they were from the last litter) and they never got papers for there dogs. I was told on my last contact that Adrie may have been sold to a women in Canada with a straw of Max semen as of recently I don,t believe it(any longer) We are dealing with people who are using dogs like toliet paper after the use is done it,s disgarded. I know how Lorenzo came into possesion of Adrie and the story there after.

If you want answers find the person in question, there still alive and people are still interacting with them and like a bad penny they will come to the surface.     

Now as far as Adrie is concerened I don,t think she was even in the mix. When I frist replied to the original thread of Amanda she was the dog I mistook for Adrie Tim did,nt even mention a second dog till I put up information about money for information then he called me at work (i posted the #) and told me he had Adrie also and he knew it was Adrie by her tatoo # but he had put her down because she was in terrible shape also. Unknown to Tim I had recieved a email from a soild sourse that the poster in question was Tim Helser and Amanda had already been put down. Then Tim started with the please give money scam. I told tim that I would pay for Adrie,s euthonazia but he would have to send me the bill or a copy of it from said vet I would pay them direct (i would,nt send Helser money for any reason)  He then posted a pic of a bill with Amandas name on it and the vet address.

So I told him I would call them and get conformation and take care of her chargesThats when the story changed. Tim said That he took Adrie to a different vet not the same one treating Amanda. So I asked for the bill and contact # for that vet which I never recieved to date. Also once I told him that I had Adries Tatoo # and DNA profile # the story got a new chapter Tim said the vet had immedatly had Adrie creamated so DNA work is moot. To date I have seen no believable evedince that Adrie was ever really in the mix to start with. 

I,ve faced the fact that I,ll never or any of us will ever get a straight answer to this story. I know for a fact Amanda is dead thats all i can say with certinty. 

The Lorenzo story seems to point that he is or was in Memphis some one down there who probably use,s, this board knows where he is and if you do know where he is or is going to will have to step up to the plate,And if they do what really is anyone here willing to do to avenge this situation? who,s got the stones to say written law can,t bring about the end that is justified here? talk is cheap... If you want to do something start talking about where Lorenzo is and find him and all your peices will fall together.

As for Tim I believe he some how ended up with Amanda or possible had her in his possesion for a time and finally thought up a scam to hook people who had feelings or attempt to come off as a white knight to get some money, What he did,nt figure was the backlash or out pooring of Information that was wantted on the situation and he pulled it all off the site. 



   

 

kitkat3478  Your not alone   

eichenluft,  I understand what your saying here and in some ways your right. Do you really believe that the person  who left these dogs in the care of someone else is responsible here? Maybe just maybe they weren't abandoned at all,maybe they were sold or given away to someone that professed that he or she would provide a good home with proper care. The person that watched this happen to Amanda over a period time, without medical care or a bullet in the head at the very least is responsible. As for Adrie, I've seen nothing to proove one way or another what her fate is or was. Those pictures of Amanda are burned into my memory forever, and for me it will never be the end of the story ,just the beginning of the next story if it's swept under the rug.                                       Michael

I received a picture of a dog that is supposed to be Adrie - obvious hair loss and skin condition - can't tell about heartworms from a picture but could believe it looking at her condition.  The person who housed the dogs has contacted me (don't know why or how he chose me to contact) - he expressed himself as a person who did care about the dogs, and did his best to care for them as best he could with his resources and knowledge.  Looking at the pictures of amanda and adrie it is obvious they had not been starved.....

He did not own the dogs, and maybe he waited too long to try to place them into good homes - but in the end he did what he thought was right - tried to find homes where the dogs' medical needs could be taken care of.  He did not realize the medical problems were as serious as they were.   He convinced me that he is very upset about how things turned out for the dogs.

IMO as an "outsider looking in" and with the information I have received - the two people who last "held" these two dogs did right by them.  One fed and cared for them as best he could while waiting for the owner to get them back - the other attempted to help two dogs with extremely serious ongoing and fatal medical issues that in the end could not be saved.  Remember no monies went to anyone involved, so intent on scam or not - it didn't happen!  What did happen was two dogs who needed help got help - too little and too late but they did get it in the end.

molly

                          We don't Know where it began,Someone tossed these dogs out like trash. That is what we are trying to find out. The QUESTION IS, WHERE WILL IT END???
         It does not make it alright that a young dog like Adrie was left to die for what is known as easily treated, or prevented ailments, especially if she WAS with Amanda.

Sarcoptic Mange
Veterinary Services Department, Drs. Foster & Smith, Inc.
Holly Nash, DVM, MS

Sarcoptic mange, commonly known as canine scabies, is caused by the parasite Sarcoptes scabiei. These microscopic mites can invade the skin of healthy dogs or puppies and create a variety of skin problems, the most common of which is hair loss and severe itching. While they will infect other animals and even humans, they prefer to live their short lives on dogs. Fortunately, there are several good treatments for this mange and the disease can be easily controlled 

     Heartworm
Prevention
The good news is that there is no need for your pet to have to endure the treatment for heartworm disease, because it is so easy to prevent. A heartworm prevention program is effective and simple, and consists of three parts:

controlled and prevented, yes.  But once a dog has heartworm, even a "light load" it is extremely difficult, dangerous (for the dog) and expensive to treat, and the dog - especially one with other immune problems such as sarcoptic mange (also very difficult to treat in an unhealthy older dog) - would almost certainly NOT survive the treatment.  Which is, I'm guessing, why the vet recommended euthanasia for Adrie.

molly

Maybe this person will choose to tell his story on this forum some day. I for one would love to hear it straight from the horses mouth.