double standards on breeding by breeders - Page 1

 i was reading through the different topics from breeders
and some make me laugh

one breeder must think he is above the rest when indeed he is not
after all
 this breeder bred from a male under the age of 1 year old .
as a matter of fact his litter was born while the male was 11 months old.
the sire then went on and got his schundhund title and kkl
so he thinks the german system is better , then why not follow it rightly.
after all the dogs hips were not a stamped or even had a bva score sure how could they he was
12 weeks and 1 day off a year old at time of mating
so my advise do with your dogs you feel happy to do with them
and have a clear mind.

i would love some views on this.
is this breeder right or wrong.
is the hip scoring really working and should we mate our dogs to which ever bitch we like

 I know this may come as some outdated information, but some breeders especially old school think of giving one time breeding experience to a very young dog( I beleive it speeds up growth due to hormone release) and then start real breeding when the dog comes of age.


Experienced  breeders please comment

regards

This is indeed very irritating to me, and I'm sure other breeders who "follow the rules" so to speak.  I breed only hip rated, working-titled dogs - never had an "oops" breeding and don't plan on making exceptions to this policy "just cause" I feel like it.  There are many breeders who have in the past touted their own titled dogs, and bashed those breeders who choose to breed untitled dogs - then lo and behold here they are bragging about their own litters from untitled stock, making excuses about why it couldn't be titled - this is quite irritating indeed.
If you are going to breed untitled, un hip rated, un... whatever dogs, then do it.  Don't brag about doing things a different way, and cut down breeders who aren't to your standards - then do exactly what you have been busting them about when it becomes easier and more convenient for you at a later date!  Buyer beware!  Do your research - find out WHY the dog can't be titled - find out WHY the breeder isn't working and titling their own-bred dogs - find out WHY a stud dog has been sold/given away/rehomed several times, before buying that puppy or dealing with that breeder!  Get references, take the information the breeder gives you and take it to others to find out what is truth and what is fiction!  Some breeders/sellers will tell you exactly what you want to hear.  ok, end of vent.

molly

I think this breeder is wrong  all breeding stock should be health checked ie hips ect  before being mated   these sort of breeders only use a  system when it suits there needs    breeders like this do not care about our breed  once the dog has been hip scored then it is up to the individual if they want to mate there dog or female no matter what the hip score is  also the person who used this very young dog on there female is wrong to   if it was not the same person who owns this young  male  I dont  know if the hip scoring is working how can you have 4 scored from the same litter and have scores of one female 8 female 9 male 9 and one female 55 why did this happen both the parents have good scores dam total 8 sire total 9 also have good hips behind them on both parent side  

Vikram  old school breeders did this many years ago they said it would make the male mature quicker true or not I could not say 

Rosei

As this thread began with the use of a male at stud under the age of 1 year perhaps, for the less experienced breeder, David Payne could clarify his post.  Like many breeders, myself included, David Payne has dogs x-rayed at a very young age but the post suggests, when he says "I have done this" that he then went on to breed from a male without an official score and under the age of one year.

From a personal point of view I have never used a male without an official score, or, under the age of two years.

Mackenzie

I do not breed Dogs, but i would never breed a Dog unless it had certified Hip and Elbow ratings within breedable standards,
 And it will have to be titled first to Sch3 with good scores not just passing scores more than once,
 Also it would have to be KKL1 or 2,
 And most importantly i will have to bring it up from a 8 week old Pup to do it,
Why the satisfaction of doing all of  it from a baby thats the FUN of it for me
Steve

Perhaps some people are just in a hurry.
And yes there are double standards out there, I have seen this more than once.

Moons.