high drive show lines? - Page 1

What is the most high drive show line dog you know and why?

I am working a young male who has just as much if not more drive than the majority of working lines I've worked - also presence and power in protection, a great full natural grip, strong temperament - he just doesn't know he's black/red.  I'm enjoying working him.  Unfortunately I know he's the exception rather than the rule.  Aeros v Heulenluft BH

molly

we need many more "exceptions"

What we need is the disallusion of the ideas that there are 2 lines of German Shepherds,  The breed was devoleped as a working dog and any thing bred without the natural drives and structre for the work is below par. We also need to go back to a test of Breed worthiness that is a true measure of the breed. 

Yes, agree with both posts above.

molly

Good post Bob!!

All workability, and no beauty or no ability to live a life in a home with people will also destroy the breed because the vast majority of the puppies end up living inside a "regular" home environment. No market, no breed.

Breeding dogs that are so hard that they have to be kept in kennels and only let out to work is a bit too extreme.

Breeding dogs with weak hocks and no drive is equally as extreme.

There's got to be a happy middle ground somewhere.......

A dog the can pass breed standard working tests, that can compete in working trials, that is extremely beautiful, trustworthy in public, and can live inside a home with kids and cats.

IMO I do believe that's what a GSD is meant to be.

I obedience trained a young male out of Ingodd's Albert and Cola Mittelwest who had crazy drive and eye contact any OTCH or SchH3 dog would be proud of. I do believe the fine temperment came from Cola, however, as I recently worked with a Cola/Jasso daughter and she was great, I have worked other pups from Albert who I felt did not have the working potential that one did.

Also Karo van de Herdersfarm x  Karat's Warina has yielded at least two highly exceptional males, Vollmond's Thor and Vollmond's Vasko. Thor, I think, is working for his SchH titles and Vasko is being trained for PPD. I have handled Vasko a few times and he is intense.

Nobleheim in TX has a I think a Dux son, I had a young male from him in one of my classes that was a drivey beast.  Also have a young bitch from Kolenda in my beginner class right now whose temperment is just perfect for her age.

I also recently did a breeding with Pascha von Seewolf; a dog who gets into the BSP at two years of age speaks for himself.

Axel vom NeoHaus and Santo von der Neuen Welt are also two local studs who produce drivey dogs.

I am also quite proud of my girls, who I chose based on workability. My Rikkor daughter has OFA moderate dysplasia, so I made her my AKC obedience dog/PPD dog, and she is a NUT.  My Jaguar daughter is out of this world.  I have a daughter of her and Yacco v d Vallendarer Hohe that probably lacks the energy most working enthusiasts need to see, but she has nerves like steel and very strong bitework. When she is a little more progressed I'll take some video of her.

Here is My Jaguar daughter, Sitasmom, you may like her. No extremes in structure, totally stable in mind. www.youtube.com/watch

I know there are plenty more, but most of these dogs I have had some kind of personal experience with them or their progeny, so I may speak firsthand.

I know plenty of people whose drivey dogs live in their home, that has less to do with drives and more with what the owner actually DOES with the dogs. Of course a family with 4 kids who goes out and buys a czech dog and expects it to be a pet is in for trouble.  If a high drive dog who is worked regularly and is given the physical and mental stimulation it needs it lives indoors with no problem whatsoever.  Many working enthusiasts do kennel their dogs, but many others do not, just like there are plenty others breeding garbage dogs who couldn't even pass a CGC that live in kennels and make puppies their whole lives.

This "working dogs can't live in the home" crap is just a myth perpetuated by breeders who have never set foot on a trial field or any other working venue and are looking for an excuse for using incapable dogs in their breeding programs.

great video....very nice dog.

IMO - what the breed should be.