Shame on you Jean Donaldson

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by dAWgESOME on 30 August 2009 - 21:08

I had a lot of resepect for this trainer until this perverted parlor trick.........

Here is the video
www.youtube.com/watch

Maybe I'm blowing it out of context but this was done in very poor taste and very low class. Ronnie will proably love it but this is just not cool in my book...........

& her is another trainers opinion on it
flyingdogpress.com/index.php

by Vikram on 30 August 2009 - 21:08

why do you think so many people sit on the sidelines before going to the high profile trainers?

cheers

by dAWgESOME on 30 August 2009 - 22:08

Beleive me, I think using positve motivation is an excellent training tool. Finding a highly motivating reward is crucial (IMO) for sucessful training, but this crosses the line. Over my dead body would I reward a dog by alowing it to hump me or anything for that matter....

by dAWgESOME on 30 August 2009 - 23:08

LOL, Ronnie always there with the comic relief

by raymond on 30 August 2009 - 23:08

Strange how one would post a message of ridicule towards a woman who showed far less offensive content than ronnie then praise ronnie for doing so! Why is Steve 1 not furious over such content?

by sueincc on 31 August 2009 - 01:08

Her premise is: "Can you take any natural behavior and elicit it on cue, or use the behavior to reward other behaviors?"

I'm not sure why she decided to use this particular behavior to demonstrate a basic fact about dogs most dog people already know, other than for the shock value, which is pretty immature on her part. Obviously this is not damaging to the dog, but come on - there is no practical application. To be honest, this dumb parlor trick does not lessen my opinion of her, it wasn't all that high in the first place.

by dAWgESOME on 31 August 2009 - 03:08

LOL so yeah sarcasm is not to read, RR is the whore of the PBD and if the bothers you then don't read what he writes, if you can stomach it or heaven forbid laugh at it... let sleeping dogs lie, no pun intended or yes pun very much intended or lay down with dogs and get up with fleas or what ever, not my problem.

But before I hijack my own post..... back to the issue at hand.

I liked most of Donaldson's book - The Culture Clash but do I or did I think she was the be all and end all of dog-dome, heck NO. I feel there is a trend in "all positive" training taken to such an extent is has become extreme and she has made the point evidently clear (to her own demise) in this atrocity of a "training" video

by sueincc on 31 August 2009 - 03:08

I agree with you 100%. They are kind of cultish too, as if this is a way of life. They refuse to acknowledge this method is a good tool, but nevertheless not the only good tool, AND not always the appropriate tool for every dog or every situation.

by dAWgESOME on 31 August 2009 - 03:08

<BINGO> yes very cultish

Balance is the key. Extreme in any direction and in any fashion is a death sentence.

On the other side of the coin Suzanne Clothier's comment comparing a trashy leg hump video to the M. Vick dog fighting case is a tad on the extreme side too.

by VonIsengard on 31 August 2009 - 04:08

What a whack job.

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