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by Bucko on 25 August 2009 - 06:08
What do pink papers mean?
What value do you place on them?
Thanks in advance.
What value do you place on them?
Thanks in advance.
by Mahivaso on 25 August 2009 - 07:08
Pink papers are Kör- und Leistungszucht.
The dogs are specially for stud. The parents of dogs with pink papers, are x-rayed, teethes are complete and you can
Work and stud with the dogs.
I hope you understand what I mean, because my english is not so good.
Best regards
Mahivas
The dogs are specially for stud. The parents of dogs with pink papers, are x-rayed, teethes are complete and you can
Work and stud with the dogs.
I hope you understand what I mean, because my english is not so good.
Best regards
Mahivas
by SitasMom on 25 August 2009 - 09:08
Puppy Hero came with pink papers from Slovika.
by clifford on 25 August 2009 - 14:08
paper maen nothing to me if its pink or blue i v seen pink paper dog not bred good, so its all about the dog to me.
by ramgsd on 25 August 2009 - 15:08
Dogs with PINK papers are registered with the SV in Germany. In the states, now, you can register a dog with the SV but you have to do it through the UScA. So you may hear someone say REAL or TRUE PINK PAPERS. Meaning their dog was bred and born in Germany.
by Xaver vom Kammberg Owner on 25 August 2009 - 15:08
Ramgdsd has the correct answer here. Registered with the SV in Germany.
I needed both SV papers, and DNA to register my imports with AKC.
The Korschein or "Breed Survey" papers are blue.
My Bessy was KKl II because she was oversized (which I was wanting in an import bitch)
I needed both SV papers, and DNA to register my imports with AKC.
The Korschein or "Breed Survey" papers are blue.
My Bessy was KKl II because she was oversized (which I was wanting in an import bitch)
by Silbersee on 25 August 2009 - 16:08
Ramgsd,
that is not true anymore. Pink papers are no longer offered through UScA. The last ones I received were for my M-litter and they will be three yearrs old in November. The SV put a stop to it because it was not quite legal. As per FCI regulations, a dog can only have one set of registration papers, and it has to be from the (FCI member) organization of the country the dog was born in. Here in the U.S., it would be AKC (and not UKC or anything else). When my dogs go to Germany and have to be registered with the SV (which they only do if the dog is intended to be used for breeding in Germany, meaning that a litter would be born in Germany), the SV will issue a new SZ-No. (SZ stands for their breed book) but not a new pedigree. The new registration No. will just be stamped on the existing papers.
The AKC is a bit different, since they issue a registration certificate, but then again, this certificate is not recognized as papers in Germany. The SV wants a 4 generation certified pedigree.
To the orignal question: Pink papers from Germany (and not anywhere else) are issued by the SV only for litters born in Germany which conform to their breeding regulations: The first two generations (parents and grandparents) have to be titled and breed surveyed. This is called a Kör- und Leistungszucht (survey and performance breeding). The only other kind of papers would be white papers issued by the SV (they are actually light green) which indicate two generations of titled dogs (but one or more dogs are missing a survey). This kind of breeding is called Leistungszucht (performance breeding). They are still required to have a passing show rating and hip and elbow certification besides the title to be admitted for breeding, though. I want to wager that you will be hard pressed to find this kind of breeding anywhere in Germany nowadays.
A long time ago, there used to a third variable of breeding, called the Körzucht (survey breeding) in which the dogs were surveyed but not SchH or HGH titled. This does not exist anymore, as the SV got away from that. It was similar to that of the DV (Dobermann Verein) and ADRK (Allgemeiner Deutscher Rottweiler Klub) who offer these ZtP (Zuchttauglichkeitsprüfung) without obtaining a SchH title first.
And to answer Clifford's comment: Of course, pink papers are not a fool proof guarantee to get the best structured puppy with a great temperament and health. Puppies are always a crapshot. But these breeding regulations as set forth by the SV are a great tool to better your odds, vs. AKC papers which can be obtained on any litter resulting out of two registered dogs, regardless of health, temperament, structure and disqualifying faults.
that is not true anymore. Pink papers are no longer offered through UScA. The last ones I received were for my M-litter and they will be three yearrs old in November. The SV put a stop to it because it was not quite legal. As per FCI regulations, a dog can only have one set of registration papers, and it has to be from the (FCI member) organization of the country the dog was born in. Here in the U.S., it would be AKC (and not UKC or anything else). When my dogs go to Germany and have to be registered with the SV (which they only do if the dog is intended to be used for breeding in Germany, meaning that a litter would be born in Germany), the SV will issue a new SZ-No. (SZ stands for their breed book) but not a new pedigree. The new registration No. will just be stamped on the existing papers.
The AKC is a bit different, since they issue a registration certificate, but then again, this certificate is not recognized as papers in Germany. The SV wants a 4 generation certified pedigree.
To the orignal question: Pink papers from Germany (and not anywhere else) are issued by the SV only for litters born in Germany which conform to their breeding regulations: The first two generations (parents and grandparents) have to be titled and breed surveyed. This is called a Kör- und Leistungszucht (survey and performance breeding). The only other kind of papers would be white papers issued by the SV (they are actually light green) which indicate two generations of titled dogs (but one or more dogs are missing a survey). This kind of breeding is called Leistungszucht (performance breeding). They are still required to have a passing show rating and hip and elbow certification besides the title to be admitted for breeding, though. I want to wager that you will be hard pressed to find this kind of breeding anywhere in Germany nowadays.
A long time ago, there used to a third variable of breeding, called the Körzucht (survey breeding) in which the dogs were surveyed but not SchH or HGH titled. This does not exist anymore, as the SV got away from that. It was similar to that of the DV (Dobermann Verein) and ADRK (Allgemeiner Deutscher Rottweiler Klub) who offer these ZtP (Zuchttauglichkeitsprüfung) without obtaining a SchH title first.
And to answer Clifford's comment: Of course, pink papers are not a fool proof guarantee to get the best structured puppy with a great temperament and health. Puppies are always a crapshot. But these breeding regulations as set forth by the SV are a great tool to better your odds, vs. AKC papers which can be obtained on any litter resulting out of two registered dogs, regardless of health, temperament, structure and disqualifying faults.
by ramgsd on 25 August 2009 - 17:08
thanks for the update. Hadn't heard that.
by VonIsengard on 26 August 2009 - 03:08
Chris, so is that why I'm seeing so many puppies from KKL parents from "top" breeder who are not even tattooed?
So if I breed a litter from 2 titled, KKL parents and I only get AKC papers on the pups, will that have ramifications when said pups are shown under and SV judge? What if they went to the BSZS? Are all German style breeders in the US doing AKC only, even if the dogs are KKL?
So if I breed a litter from 2 titled, KKL parents and I only get AKC papers on the pups, will that have ramifications when said pups are shown under and SV judge? What if they went to the BSZS? Are all German style breeders in the US doing AKC only, even if the dogs are KKL?
by crhuerta on 26 August 2009 - 03:08
Our AKC registration & 4-gen pedigree are all that is needed with the SV.
Our dogs also get shown in Germany and they only have AKC papers if they are born here.
They need to obtain their Korrung from an SV judge, we DNA them while they are in Germany also.
Chris......did I forget anything??? It's getting late and I worked 12 hours today.....
Robin
Our dogs also get shown in Germany and they only have AKC papers if they are born here.
They need to obtain their Korrung from an SV judge, we DNA them while they are in Germany also.
Chris......did I forget anything??? It's getting late and I worked 12 hours today.....
Robin
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