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by VonIsengard on 06 August 2009 - 02:08
The AKC will be voting on making WDS a permanent venue soon. For 10 years working enthusiasts have worked to have the AKC recognize a schutzhund type sport, and if you would like to see real working GSDs gain acceptance and prevalence in the AKC, we need permanent recognition of this sport!
Send an email to Dennis Sprung
> (DBS@akc,org) and James Crowley (_JXC@akc.org_
> (mailto:JXC@akc.org) )
And show your support!!
Send an email to Dennis Sprung
> (DBS@akc,org) and James Crowley (_JXC@akc.org_
> (mailto:JXC@akc.org) )
And show your support!!
by Daveb on 06 August 2009 - 02:08
Actually I think we would be better served if the AKC reconized the current working dog organazations that are currently in the US. They really did nt work with anyone to develop this. Acceptance of the WDS could very well spell the end of the DVG as well as the WDA both of whom I would rather support than the AKC..
JMO Dave
JMO Dave

by VonIsengard on 06 August 2009 - 04:08
I doubt it would affect WDA whatsoever. AKC does not offer any a stamps, KKL, or german conformation raitings of any kind. Any steps that can be taken to undo the damage done to so many working breeds by AKC fanciers' blindness to workability are positive in my book. The more options, the better, I think!
This information was emailed to me and I wanted to pass it along.
This information was emailed to me and I wanted to pass it along.

by Mystere on 06 August 2009 - 05:08
I agree with Dave. If given the proper toehold, AKC would coop schutzhund altogether. It would undermine the efforts of USA, DVG and WDA regarding the breed. Danny Spreitler, WDA's president has PUBLICLY stated his opposition to WDS. Food for thought? :-)

by VonIsengard on 06 August 2009 - 05:08
Maybe. But we all know the AKC will never require of what breeders the SV does, and those who will choose to abide by a true working standard will always need WDA, USA, etc. I just don't see the AKC ever getting its claws around the schutzhund world, it will always operate separately, and successfully so, of the AKC. The majority of the working world does not respect the AKC at all. WDS is something I would readily do for fun, totally separate but never in place of, what I would do under WDA/USA. Wouldn't the SV have to be willing to accept WDS as a Schh equivalent for KKL for it to even remotely threaten our SchH clubs? A WDS WUSV team? Not likely, I think. It is my understanding that the AKC show type is a joke in the SV and everywhere else in the world.
Think about the ramifications of spectators at these events, even non "dog people" who can see the difference between real working dogs and the paradoy of them appears in the AKC conformation rings. It's another nail in the coffin for the AKC show type, in my book.
I have always felt we can snub the AKC, or we can deluge them with correct, healthy, normal looking dogs and sooner or later the tide will turn. Maybe I am too inexperienced and idealist, but I would dearly love to see the end of crippled spooks being passed off as working dogs in my lifetime.
It will be interesting to see what happens, either way.
Think about the ramifications of spectators at these events, even non "dog people" who can see the difference between real working dogs and the paradoy of them appears in the AKC conformation rings. It's another nail in the coffin for the AKC show type, in my book.
I have always felt we can snub the AKC, or we can deluge them with correct, healthy, normal looking dogs and sooner or later the tide will turn. Maybe I am too inexperienced and idealist, but I would dearly love to see the end of crippled spooks being passed off as working dogs in my lifetime.
It will be interesting to see what happens, either way.

by Mystere on 06 August 2009 - 05:08
Kathy,
You are being idealistic. The WDS program was a POLITICAL move by the gsdca at the outset to fool the SV and WUSV into believing that the AKC was changing its ways.
As this is an international forum and has already attracted a variety of nuts, I am not inclined to discuss this further on this forum. Send me youe email and I will be happy to enlighten you. :-)

by VonIsengard on 06 August 2009 - 05:08
Please do! vonisengard@comcast.net Now I'm curious. You can also PM me.

by Mystere on 06 August 2009 - 05:08
OUCH! I did not mean for you to post your email addy right here! There's nuts in them thar woods!!

by BabyEagle4U on 06 August 2009 - 06:08
Ya well, this AKC WDS sucks ... WTF ? Phuckin' liberals whinin' and cryin', whanting it this way and that, all ways something for nothing, in this case the breed it's self .. who cares right... it's only dogs... Tip-i-cal huh ? Whoaaa. A pussy team at that. I wonder what butt-boys bitch, or is Barney Frank the BITCH ? anyones guess I suppose. Ha Ha
So, if this is Political, and I agree it is (like someone mentioned) once America get's a grip in Congress and the executive branch, this could very well be a blessing in disquise. I hope so, because we can seriously compete with any american working dog natural, naturalized or not. LOL
No Papers. LMAO
Seriously, did you people ever see a 40 pound Cattle Dog round 300 head cattle ? This is serious stuff. These dogs have talent. The dogs deserve some credit I think, ya know, independent ? I'm sure alot would agree.
One day.
I hope they fail like they did the first trial period. Sorry.
JMO.
So, if this is Political, and I agree it is (like someone mentioned) once America get's a grip in Congress and the executive branch, this could very well be a blessing in disquise. I hope so, because we can seriously compete with any american working dog natural, naturalized or not. LOL
No Papers. LMAO
Seriously, did you people ever see a 40 pound Cattle Dog round 300 head cattle ? This is serious stuff. These dogs have talent. The dogs deserve some credit I think, ya know, independent ? I'm sure alot would agree.
One day.
I hope they fail like they did the first trial period. Sorry.
JMO.
by Bob McKown on 06 August 2009 - 09:08
Any thing the AKC does involving working breeds is suspicious in my book, this orginization has always taken a bad view on any biting sports and what real good is this orginization? it isnt recognized by the FCI this is a political decision to coop more money and try to control dog sports in the USA.
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