Differences in Training- PPD and Schutzhund

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by TStrickland on 23 July 2009 - 02:07

So, I was wondering if someone could give me a brief synopis of the differences in training for Schutzhund and PPD? My female is 8 months, and well into her foundation for schutzhund. Are there any major differences. Thank you in advance!

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by btank on 23 July 2009 - 02:07

I think you would have to train the dog in many more situations than a schutzhund trained dog who is trained simply for the sport and to earn points. Not all schutzhund dogs make good PPDs. The dog would need to be comfortable actually biting the actual skin of somebody. Just my opinion though, someone correct me if im wrong.......

by Mindhunt on 23 July 2009 - 04:07

The end result is what dictates the training method. It is a difference in mindset, sport vs real life (working).
Sport = This dog is supposed to be exacting and precise in every aspect, no deviation. If the track goes from point A to point B to point C and so on, the dog must follow that track exactly (or very near to exact). In obedience, the dog must be at a certian point on the handler's side all the time, no swinging wide on turns or forging ahead, etc. Protection is exacting as well with the decoy almost always in the last blind, the dog must go through the sequence of blinds. The dog is focused on you almost exclusively, especially in obedience.
Working = This dog that is expected to be able to improvise and problem solve, if things go pear shaped, this dog must be able to adapt. The dog must be obedient and reliable. If the bad guy went from point A to point B and ended up somewhere on point E, the dog can go straight to point E if that is where the scent is coming from, air scenting is allowed which would be a huge no-no in sport. Protection is get the bad guy no matter where he is. These dogs have to be obedient such as downing and staying put during a SWAT manuver but if the handler is in trouble, the dog doesn't hesitate to break the down. The dog is focused on keeping the handler safe but must be very aware of surroundings.
I enjoyed training in both areas and I believe that it doesn't matter to your dog as long as your dog is challenged and you both enjoy what you are doing. I hoped this helps.

by Mindhunt on 23 July 2009 - 04:07

Oops, substitute PPD for working. Can you tell I have given this speech before.....LOL

I am sure there are other much more knowledgable and experienced people on this board that can give you much better information.

by Doryc11 on 23 July 2009 - 07:07

I was a Police K9 handler and there are big differences. My k9 was a SCH3 import but his training was greatly modified in bitework and tracking. There is a recall in PPD bitework where you send your dog for a bite and recall him before he gets there You will find out very quick if your dog is a jute junkie or a real biter in PPD training. I will never forget in a PPD trial we were doing off leash obedience and the Judge had a decoy walk across the field in a full bite suit and you would not believe the dogs that broke to bite. In training I have also seen dogs that after the helper let the dog have the sleeve he would attack the handler and the dog could care less, he just ran around with his sleeve. That slow tracking in SCH is not necessary as long as the dog stays on the track and finds the bad guy and your bad guys will go over fences, over dirt, grass, concrete etc. I have a SVV titled dog now and I like this title better than SCH for a police dog, the protection work etc is more realistic. A SVV3 title is not earned by many dogs. I hope some of this helped.

by snajper69 on 23 July 2009 - 12:07

The bigest difference is in the dog and his ability to handle stress, PPD dogs are put through many different scenarios so that they can learn to work through any situation, they are excpected to work on all surfaces, and have good obedience (not perfect just reliable). PPD dogs are just different beasts. Being good SCH dog dose not mean that it will be a good PPD dog and other way around. It dose not exclude one from the other, but to find a dog that is good at both is hard.

by snajper69 on 23 July 2009 - 12:07

SCH is a game, PPD is not.

by Gustav on 23 July 2009 - 13:07

Basically the above is true....Andy Maly Vah is an example of a dog that could do both.....Hard to find these type dogs these days. Many are too soft and many are to prey driven. One last thing, a good PPD should be tough enough to withstand an equally hard challenge and not wilt. Many sport dogs have never gone through this and during the course of the routine if you accidently step on their feet or hit them in a sensitive spot you see backing down or off.

by ramgsd on 23 July 2009 - 14:07

Here's a perfect example of a Schutzhund titled dog that can do both.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjFQ0UbH224

If the schutzhund training is done to keep the drives balanced this is what you can end up with. You hear comments all the time like..............Is it a real dog???............ Why are there so many prey monsters around today??? Truth of the matter is most people out there can't handle a REAL dog.

by ramgsd on 23 July 2009 - 15:07

Here's another clip of a REAL dog Iike that is Schutzhund titled

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFkg1DRSqnM

Mike diehl's Kutter dog. Mike's patrol dog son of his other great patrol dog Stormfront's Brawnson.

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