What is the difference between DDR, CZR and SCH title? - Page 1

What are the difference between DDR & CZR and Exactly what is a SCH title and are Police dogs SCH titled??  Since I am new to this I am asking all you people out there who know more than I do.... Thank You!!

http://www.germanshepherds.com/thegsd/schutzhund/

Here is an article on Schutzhund.

www.germanshepherddog.com

This is the USA (United Schutzhund Clubs of America) site.  They have several good articles on "What is Schtuzhund?" that should go a long way to explaining it.

I have "heard" that a SCH dog does not make a good police dog as they will only bite the 'sleeve' and that SCH is more of a sport and while the dog can be immpressive 'show' they are not that good at protection.   Is this true?  This is kind of what I am looking for.

That can be true, yes. I think alot of us, that want a true working dog, want one with balanced drives, that will do more than chase a sleeve.
 We have had a few discussions on this very thing.  Here is one thread.  If you go the the German Shepherd web board, on this site, on page 3 you will find a t hread with video's of civil dogs and not so civil. Alot depends on the dog, and how it is trained.
Slamdunc is a K9 officer and a great wealth of information.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/forum/4036.html

 RS, thanks for the nice comment.

Jaxsmom, you wrote:

I have "heard" that a SCH dog does not make a good police dog as they will only bite the 'sleeve' and that SCH is more of a sport and while the dog can be impressive 'show' they are not that good at protection. Is this true? This is kind of what I am looking for.

Well it really depends on the dog and it's temperament. I have seen many SchH dogs that would be better police K9's than SchH dogs. I've seen more SchH dogs that couldn't possibly be trained as police dogs. Almost all police dogs are trained utilizing a sleeve in the beginning then move to bite suits, hidden sleeves and muzzle training. However, for police dogs the emphasis is always on the "man" and not the equipment. Most police dogs who are excellent "street dogs" would not be great SchH dogs, they could easily do it but would lose points for grips.

Here is the main difference: SchH is a sport and the protection work must be evaluated and scored in trials. The best scoring dogs have full, calm grips. Note I say full and calm but not hard. A judge can clearly see the depth of the dog's grip on a sleeve, he can also evaluate if the dog is calm or chewy on the sleeve. The judge really cannot tell how hard the grip is however, only the decoy can. Now, a dog with a good temperament and high prey drive will usually bite full and calm with good training in a SchH trial. I should point out that there is a large genetic component in bite work especially the grip.   I firmly believe that hard, full crushing grips are largely genetic.

Police dogs are not required to have "full" grips, but they are expected to bite hard and engage the man with serious intensity.  I know some police dogs that bite hard and full with calm crushing grips.  These dogs would make excellent SchH dogs as well as Police dogs.   So, it really depends on the dog and training.

A SchH dog trained properly in both prey and defense should focus on the "man" or decoy and not just on the sleeve.  But it really depends on the individual dog.  There are many SchH dogs that are titled and compete in the sport that would not engage a person in a real fight.  That is primarily the difference between Police Dogs and SchH dogs.  Police dogs must engage a person for real without equipment.  My current Police dog was an excellent SchH dog before being transitioned to Police work.  I can say for sure he will bite a bad guy just as quickly as a sleeve, and it is a hard, full, crushing bite.  it is genetics, temperament and training that make him a good Police dog or SchH dog.  

I'm sure their are many people on the PDB that can expand on my simple explanation or clarify it better.

JMO,

Jim

@ Slamdunc

That was some good information, I appreciate it.

I also have few more questions you possibly can answer for me.

How do you know if a dog is meant to be a police dog? What kind of evaluation is necessary?

I thought even police dogs have to bite the sleeve? What do they use besides the sleeve to train dogs to bite in real life?

How do you even go about training for real life situations and knowing he won't back down and will bite?

What kind of nerves and drives does the dog have to be to become a Police/Military k9?

Do most dogs already have SchH titles when they are on duty as a k9? Or are some HARD dogs without titles?

I am very interested in all these questions and would know to know more.

Again, good information it made me want to learn more after I read your post.

before I forget, how do you train a dog to bite full force and grip?

Thanks