OT Excuse us Raymond _Gouda debate - Page 1

 I have been called a drunk or drug addict by kind gouda now a cultist christian! Please gouda state your case

Gouda, I think you are morally bound to scripturally back up your claims.  You owe Raymond that much after publicly labelling him.

I admit that there are times when my flesh becomes so irritated and disgusted at what people do by their corrupt moral values I say things by the use of inappropriate adjectives. I do not tout any righteousness on my part! I apply the word of God to myself first then use it as my guidepost for life! Unbelievers hate christians because we represent what they hate! The adulterer 'theif 'fornicator,childabuser,wifebeater, drunk,drugaddict,politician, mormon'jw,catholic,muslim,.And ask yourself why do they hate Jesus as well as true christians! Because they make a God that allows them to do as they please ! Jesus said if we want to be his desiples we must obey him and take up our cross and follow him! Then you peopl scream Ahhh you are not supposed to judge us! I am not judging you I am only repeating what Jesus has already told you! So when you apply those scripture rules to christians do not bellyache when they are applied to you! The gospel (good news) is the power of God unto your salvation! Uless you are following Jesus you are following satan.And the only time you people get up in arms is when something cramps your style of living or pricks the conscience God gave you!

I am not so judgemental as that. Not my job, thank God.

SS-just another sinner slugging away at trying to do better...

SS  I am curious about your reasoning? Read 2 timothy chapter 3&4 well schuks read all of timothy. It is not my job to sit in judgement of a sinner or believer! Thank God !!! as a believer I am commanded to judge righteous judgement! The judgement I make is not my judgement but that of the judge of all the earth! Shall I conclude (judge) that the woman (my x wife) is an adulterer because she has been caught in adultery by the fact that God judges her an adulterer after her actions! Now you call yourself a sinner slugging away at trying to do better!  You are in fact being  judgemental? Are you a sinner because you sin or do you sin because you are a sinner? Are those troubles and trials you are going through now the cross you must bear ?I do not know the heart of any man! But Jesus tells us we will know the tree by it's fruit! Those sinners do not want to hear the truth about their sinfullness. Unless someone tells you and convinces you that you are in need of salvation and the holy spirit convicts you of your sinfullness  you will not get saved : they do not want to come into the light of Jesus because the light shows the wicked deeds they do!  When I say obama is not a christian it is not my judgement but that of gods word! We know the tree from it,s fruit. remember that sinners get saved and repent or turn away from the lifestyle they used to live! They then Obey the teaching of Christ. Once a sinner becomes saved they no longer are considered a sinner in Gods eyes! we trade our sinfullnes for the righteousness of God through Jesus christ. We are commanded to sin no more and to live a holy life. do we still sin? Yes because our flesh has not been perfected! Does our sin convict us yes and do we repent of or sin?yes Does the unrepentant sinner repent of their sins?no.We are saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH AND NOT OF OURSELFS IT IS A FREE GIFT OF GOD! If we sin we have an advocate with god and he is faithfull to forgive us our sin and we as you continue to struggle not to sin. The world loves their sin and will not repent unless convinced and convicted. How will they know they are sinners unless christians use the word of God to convince them of their sin. Unless we use Gods judgement they will not be convinced they are sinners! Calling one judgemental is ignoring and dismissing Gods pronouncement of sin upon the sinner!

Gouda has one purpose to irriate posters and  is as much from Canada as i am the statement about the health care system was a dead give away and what ever she or he or it says is of little importance. Gouda Luv dogs whatever might be the same sick person who knows,

Raymond
You are wrong in what you say about un believers hating Christians and you say it without any foundation of knowing how we think,
For i am one of the unbelievers, But i certainly do not think any less of Church going people than i do anyone else
One thing i do not like is someone trying to convert me when i do not need to be converted into anything which does not suit me,
I do not need religion to make me any better or worse than i now am. my way of life is to help anyone if i can and i do it freely without wanting anything in return, but if i am done wrong by anyone then i will have my day, they pay dearly for there mistakes.
I never think i am any better or  any worse than any one else that is the way i think and have done so all my life, So that is me
Steve

"One thing i do not like is someone trying to convert me when i do not need to be converted into anything which does not suit me, May I use this quote from Steve? "    Steve I am not trying to upset you but your statement is an inditment and a conviction upon your position in this life! It is your opinion that you do not need to be converted into something that does not suit you! I only repeat what the word of God says and it says that ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD! Not my words Steve .so from your own lips you are in direct conflict with God. God says you need to be converted and god also says that your statement makes you a liar ! Not my words steve but his! Now that you have been told of your need for conversion you will become furious at me and God because you do not want to be converted or admit that you are a sinner.Now Steve I humbly beg your forgiveness for appearing to insult you or be harsh. You see it is not me telling you I am only the messenger so please do not be angry with me! Now will you tell me Steve that you do not hate me now that I have told you that you are wrong in what you say?( but if i am done wrong by anyone then i will have my day, they pay dearly for there mistakes.) Again you err because vengence belongs to God and not you Steve! I am so happy that you got a new puppy and I trust you will train and enjoy and make your dog the happiest one on earth.   

Hi Red Sable

Raymond does not like te Jews,and condems them. Jehovah say's the Jews are His chosen people,and allways will be the apple of His eye.
I believe the Canadian medical plan is the best in the world,does that mean Im a plant?

  Your turn Sable

p.s Raymond I'll get to you monday,HAVE A DOG SHOW FRIDAY, SATERDAY AND SUNDAY,  Orono On. C.K.C. 

Triying to get a championship on Gouda.


Raymond, My Mother hid Jews in her home when I was only one year old,while my father was defending the countrey against the Germans,namely Holland. Christ was a Jew,and he died for you.  Do you hate Jews? Who was the one that put a veil over the Jews eyes,so not to regonize the Messiah?

Looking forward to this debate.
Raymond if you really were a Christian you would automaticly quew in to what Im talking about.

Your friend gouda

gouda, you have Raymond confused with Ugly Dog, do you not?