Imprinting grip/bite videos - Page 1

My new puppy is coming in and I am getting everything ready bed, crate, bowls and so forth. Now it is time for me to start getting the right tools and learn the "right" way how to do this ScHH thing :) . I know a good trainer is best  but it will be a few weeks even months before I will take her out to the field (shots need to be done first and seattling in. ) So I was thinking "IF" there was a good video of imprinting grip/bites that I can get so I can start her at home.  I know leerburg has a couple of videos (please if you don't have anything nice to say don't say it - I don't want this turn in to a bashing thread I NEED HELP and INFORMATION) does anyone else have any suggestions? 

Are there some trainers that would be willing to send me some of thier (home) videos to show me? 

THanks
EK

if you are serious about this,then listen carefully do not waste your time asking any trainers here because you do not need to.there is one of the best DVD BY BERNARD THAT LEER BURG sells that isthe only thing you need.everything else will just confuse you.have a nice one.

Great question, EK. 
I'm just wondering too ... I have a 7 month female whom we are wanting to do Schutzhund ... "Held" - would this video that you mentioned also be good for her age?  Or does it deal more with first starting off as a puppy?  Am looking for a DVD for what we can be doing with her at this age.
EK, good luck with your new puppy!!

I hear that Leerburg's 'Building Drive and Focus' with Berhard Flinks is really good, but have not bought or seen it yet.  I do have Leerburg's 'Raising a Working Puppy' and '8 Weeks to 8 Months' DVD's and they are both pretty informative.  Also, Ivan Balabanov's 'Obedience Without Conflict' in two parts, Part 1-Clear Communication and Part 2-The Game both excellent.  Bernhard will be in Chesapeake on July 10-11, there is a thread with the information on this board if you are interested.  I, too, am a beginner to Schutzhund, but have come across these things while searching the internet for info.  Good Luck (and hard work)!  We all need it!  LOL!   

Berhard flinks  will be in ohio at the end of june

I made this suggestion to someone else recently.........

Folks leave the bitework to your training directors and decoys. That is their specialty and their job.

The bitework aspect of sport work is (obviously) a very important one. Why would you want to jeprodize the most important aspect of the work, if you don't know what you are doing?

The foundation of a puppy is the most important thing you can do. Mistakes made in foundation training are the most difficult to try and correct and the potential for irreversible damage is very high. I have a dog in my club right now that I don't know that I am going to be able to fix. The owner did his own "bitework" with the dog when he was young and he has a bunch of issues now. I really don't know if I am going to be able to fix him.

I strongly recommend to leave you puppy alone!

Less is more when a dog is young. No training is better than bad training.

If you want to learn the bitework, ask your TD or decoys to teach you. This NOT something you can do without training and this training you can not learn from a a video or a book. It is hands on, takes a good mentor, and years to become proficiant at.

Play with your puppy. Socialize your puppy, develope a bond and a trust. Leave the bitework to the people who have the training and experience.

Can you give us examples of how to ruin a pup GARD?  Do you mean by tugging with it or something else?

Good Question Red sable !

I am surprise "others" have not typed in that are known for training and titling.

Fear no one that makes a lot of sense

I have tried the  Ivan Balabanov's 'Obedience Without Conflict'  actually they are sitting on my shelf . I got lost somewhere along the line and put them there after trying with my other dogs. That is my point and the reason I am asking before "trying" .  I don't want to get frustrated or mess up my new pup.

LOveshepherds THANKS !!!!  I can not wait - she comes in next weekend :) I feel it is like Christmas and I am 10 again (LOL)  Good luck on your baby. Do you have a trainer/club that is near by? 


EK

Ek--

I hope you did not take my suggestion as bashing you or not trying to help. I am seriously giving this advice to you or anyone else who has not had formal training in bitework because I think it is the best advice to give.

Don't do it. You will more than likely cause your dog problems. Some which may be life long.

Our club just had a BBQ and watched both Balabanov DVD's. I learned some stuff and saw things in a different light. However, most of it was WAY over everyone's head. I got lost a few times along the way myself.

So it took us almost 4 hrs to watch both DVD's. I kept having to pause it and say "OK yes BUT......and then other people would ask for a pause and clarification on things.

Like I said, there was alot I took from this DVD. What I did notice was a big disclaimer at the end saying something to the effect of "This methode can take an experienced, well trained handler to the top levels of the sport" This is one of my issues with mas production of dog training (ie Ceasar Milan) 80% of the people who will buy/watch/try to use these technuiqes are not experienced enough to try and do it on there own without someone more experinced guiding them.

As to the question of examples of how to screw a dog up.......There are way to many variables (individual dog temperment, genetics, etc) and too complex of a question to try and answer on a dog forum but a few of the common ones that come to mind....

1) Improper presentation of the toy or bite equipment
2) inability to "read" the dog
3) putting to much pressure on a dog
4) poor timing on when to give up the toy, when to allow a re-bite, when to give or not give a bite
5) imprinting poor technuiqe

The list could go on and on. The bitework aspect of training is (in my opinion) the most technical and dynamic aspect of dog training and is defiantely best left for people who know how to do it.

I guess my question to people is "why do you feel the need to do it?" I played 3 different sports at the vasity level in high school. If I had a son or daughter who was dead serious about participating in a high level of sport, I would realize my limitations and find them a trainer with more knowlege and experience to help them attain their goals.

I am the weaponless defense and impact weapons instuctor for my department. I teach the other officers in these areas. The firearms instructors teach them how to shoot. I know how to shoot, but I have not had the training the firearms instructors have and vice versa.

There is a difference in knowing how to do something and knowing how to teach someone how to do something. A big difference and often times one has nothing to do with the other.

In dog training it gets even more complex because we are trying to teach somthing to another species that does not communicate the same way we do.