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by Ibrahim on 25 May 2009 - 20:05
Good eveing every one,
Would some one please explain the numbers used in linebreeding, such as (5-4 Va1 Ulk von Arlett).
what does (5-4) refer to, importance !, which is better bigger or smaller numbers or no linebreeding at all?
Greetings
Ibrahim
Would some one please explain the numbers used in linebreeding, such as (5-4 Va1 Ulk von Arlett).
what does (5-4) refer to, importance !, which is better bigger or smaller numbers or no linebreeding at all?
Greetings
Ibrahim
by Uber Land on 25 May 2009 - 20:05
its basically saying that VA1 Ulk shows up in the 5th generation on the sire side, and in the 4th gen. on the dams side.
by Xaver vom Kammberg Owner on 25 May 2009 - 20:05
This is my dream team
The first number is the dog in common from the Sire's side, the second number or set of numbers is that same dog in the Dam's side.
So with Fero below on the first line. he is 4 generations back on my male, and ALSO on my Bessy's side 5th generation AND fourth generation back.
As far as numbers go...........3 is as low as I would go if it is a superior dog like Troll second to the end. A 1-1 would mean you are breeding brother and sister.
www.hasshaus.com
Trish :)
The first number is the dog in common from the Sire's side, the second number or set of numbers is that same dog in the Dam's side.
So with Fero below on the first line. he is 4 generations back on my male, and ALSO on my Bessy's side 5th generation AND fourth generation back.
As far as numbers go...........3 is as low as I would go if it is a superior dog like Troll second to the end. A 1-1 would mean you are breeding brother and sister.
www.hasshaus.com
Trish :)
Linebreeding for the progency of Xaver vom Kammberg and Bessy vom Schiffweiler Land
Linebreeding - 5 generations
- 4 - 5,4........................................... in V Fero vom Zeuterner Himmelreich
- 5,5 - 5........................................... in Afra vom Stoppenberger Land
- 5 - 5............................................. in SG Jalk von Karthago
- 5 - 5............................................. in SG Perle vom Rosenbusch
- 5 - 5............................................. in V Flori vom Berglein
- 4 - 4............................................. in V Randa von Karthago
- 3 - 4............................................. in V Troll von der bösen Nachbarschaft
- 4 - 5............................................. in V Askia vom Froschgraben
Pedigree table for the progency of Xaver vom Kammberg and Bessy vom Schiffweiler Land
| SCHH 3 Xaver vom Kammberg SZ/2074929 |
SCHH3-IPO3-FH Cliff vom Linsengericht SZ/1892830 Groß, kraft- und gehaltvoll, guter Kopf, normaler Widerrist, geraden Rücken, Kruppe von noch guter Gänge und Lage, normale Brustbildung, vorne gut, hinten sehr gewinkelt, gerade Front, korrekte Trittfolge, normal raumschaffende Gänge, fester Rücken. Sicheres Wesen, TSB ausgeprägt; läßt ab. |
V-BSP 1990, SG-BSP 1993, G-BSP 1991, SCHH3 V Troll von der bösen Nachbarschaft SZ/1688832 |
V-BSP 1987, SCHH3, FH V Fero vom Zeuterner Himmelreich SZ/1614055 |
| V-BSP 1982, SG-BSP 1983, 1984, SCHH3, IP3, FH V Askia vom Froschgraben SZ/1491332 |
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| SCHH3 Mika von Karthago SZ/1687610 |
by ZVFNomad on 25 May 2009 - 20:05 This exercise might help explain it a bit more in detail. Its a purely a mathematical calculation. How the Meiosis process actually divides the chromosomes up in to the haploid cell for fertilization to the ovum or via the spemazoa, well that is pure "alignment of the stars". In short, Line breeding concentrates the chromosomes on a specific dog in the pedigree. The closer to the first generation, the higher the probability of that concentration. The percentages of these probabilities are called: "Inbreeding Coefficients" or "IC" as seen below: This is an example of a "technical" inbreeding, which is simply a "closer line-breeding" An "inbreeding" is a 2-2 or less linebreeding. Technically, a linebreding is a 2-3 or 3-2 breeding. Any breeding beyond 5 generations is referred o as an "outcross" with less than 1.3 percent of any dog in the pedigree contributing to the offspring's chromosomes. Linebreeding for the progency of SW LGA SIEGER Dino De Lupus Saevus and Calle von Fielden · 1 - 2............................................. in SW LGA SIEGER Dino De Lupus Saevus IC=75.0 · 2 - 3............................................. in SG Ernst vom Weinbergblick IC=37.5 · 2 - 3............................................. in Bella von der Abfuhr IC=37.5 · 3 - 4............................................. in V Carmen vom Haus Pixner IC=18.75 · 3 - 4............................................. in V Lewis von Malatesta IC=18.75 · 3 - 4............................................. in Ajax vom Haus Pixner IC=18.75 · 3 - 4............................................. in Gimmi von der Abfuhr IC=18.75 · 4,4 - 5,5....................................... in SG Lona vom Bayerischen Oberland IC = 43.75 · 4 - 5............................................. in SG Mink vom Haus Wittfeld IC=9.375 · 4 - 5............................................. in V Fero vom Zeuterner Himmelreich IC=9.375 · 4 - 5............................................. in Alfa vom Schwarzen Brink IC=9.375 · 4 - 5............................................. in V Karlo vom Peko Haus IC=9.375 · 4 - 5............................................. in V Ork vom Wolfendobel IC=9.375 · 4 - 5............................................. in Dörte vom Buckower Feld IC=9.375 Dino De Lupus Saevus Linebreeding & Coefficients · 3 - 3............................................. in SG Lona vom Bayerischen Oberland IC=25. · 4 - 4............................................. in V Uwe vom Kirschental IC=12.5 · 4 - 4............................................. in Trusa vom Busecker Schloß IC=12.5 · 5 - 4............................................. in Blanka vom Körbelbach IC=9.375 · 5 - 5...............................……............. in 1976 BSP SIEGER Drigon vom Fuhrmannshof IC=6.25 · 5 - 5............................................. in V Fenga vom Kirschental IC=6.25 · 5 - 5............................................. in V Fee von der Niddatalsperre IC=6.25 · 5,5,5 - 5.............................…....... in V-INT CH Greif zum Lahntal IC=12.5 Calle Von Fielden Linebreeding & Coefficients 4 - 5............................................. in SG Mink vom Haus Wittfeld IC=9.375 IC = “Inbreeding Coefficient” by Ibrahim on 25 May 2009 - 20:05 Thanks to both of you, you made it simple and clear, thanks a lot. Regards Ibrahim by Ibrahim on 25 May 2009 - 21:05 ZVFNOMAD, thanks a lot by kojetta on 25 May 2009 - 21:05 How often is a 2-2 performed, and what are, if any, are the risks of doing this? I'm referring to a mating a male and female having the same dam as the mother, but differenent sires as the father. by Uber Land on 25 May 2009 - 21:05 2,2 are rare in the german system, they need to be ok'd before doing the breeding. you see alot more 2,2... or 1/2 brother /sister breedings with the american show people (not just gsd, but most breeds)  by jletcher18 on 26 May 2009 - 01:05 just remember, you do a close linebreeding ( such as 2-2), you not only double up on the good, you also double up on the bad. dont get me wrong, im not against such a breeding, but you want to make sure you know of any and all health problems you may be compounding on before you do such a thing. and not just with the parents, but the grandparents and great-grandparents as well. john Contact information Disclaimer Privacy Statement Copyright Information Terms of Service Cookie policy ↑ Back to top |