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by beetree on 21 May 2009 - 00:05
This was brought up by another poster, but I have the same issue. I show him the stand command and he wants to sit or lay down. He's the first dog I"ve had to encounter this, and I do believe he is quite smart, but it seems to be not his nature. Is this a known quirk in certain lines, I wonder?

by Uber Land on 21 May 2009 - 00:05
by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 21 May 2009 - 00:05
by beetree on 21 May 2009 - 01:05

by VonIsengard on 21 May 2009 - 02:05
I will use a leash under the belly when nothing else works. A hand under the tummy will help you control a nice "kick back" stand, as opposed to your dog walking forward and actually leaving heel position. No quirk in lines here, he just doesn't understand yet. Teach, teach, teach, and when you think he's got it, teach some more.


by Ryanhaus on 21 May 2009 - 10:05
that worked for my yellow lab, we went over & over it right before the show & she got her first leg towards
her CD, she had already learned the stand comand, but of course when I was doing a run through right
before the weekend show, she surprised me by sitting down when I would walk behind her,
try the leash under the belly, it worked great for us!


by CrzyGSD on 21 May 2009 - 11:05
Right now i have a training client who is showing her tervourn (not sure of spelling). The dog keeps moving when a judge comes to check it. So we are teaching the stand. I started it with food. One session the dog associated the word with the command. He would do the stand out of motion but then sometimes he would still move when someone approached him so i would reach under him and pull down on the hair right infront of his &*$& LOL
This cause an oppositionreflex. You pull down the dog pulls up. This was the second session. At the end of the second session the dog stood when told from a heel. The woman left the dog in a stand, walked a circle around the dog and was very happy.
Now with my older dog i tried food and he would go into the position but would stop right away from the heel. I tried the hand in the face and that didn't work. So i had to use the leash around the belly and that was a battle but i won.
Don't get discouraged if your dog starts to blow the sit when learning the stand. It happens.
Mark
www.ultimatekanine.com
www.kampkanine.com

by VonIsengard on 22 May 2009 - 14:05

by Liesjers on 22 May 2009 - 15:05
by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 25 May 2009 - 03:05
"He immediately sits or lays down, so I know he knows I want something, but he doesn't seem to want to do this."
Is the dog in drive? Is he looking at you expectantly and focused?
If yes, that is a typical behaviour of an intelligent dog trying to figure out what you want from him.
He knows you want something of him, but does not understand you want him to do a simple stand, whihc means, stay in that position, do not sit, or lay down and do not move until released. An intelligent dog will offer his "bag of tricks", meaning what he larned and knows up to this point, hoping he will strike a jackpot and one of those behaviors is what you are after.
My dog would pester me with his stupid ball to throw it for him. He figured out (by watching my wife... ha ha), if they plead their case with me long enough (meaning nag me over and over and over), after a while I will relent and do it. I will mutter "alright, dammit" and go get your ball, I swear to god the damn dog got a grin with that ball in his mouth.
The "coluntary behaviors and execution of the commands is good and shows a promising dog, but of course, that is not what you want.
To do a simple stand or anything else you are teaching him, do it in your backyard, no distractions. Now, use good food bits (such as sausage, or cheese or hot dog dime size pices) or his favorite toy. Say, the dog is laying down or sitting. If not, do what he wants, offer sit. You are immediately in front of him.
He sits. Offer your clenched fist with the food bit or a toy right in front of his face, gently. Say "stand" or whatever word or command you are using. Move backward a bit, so you are kind of within a reach, but oh so elusive. Say it one time. it is dog's natural response to get closer to it. The dog will muzzle a bit forward. Once he is in standing position, unclench your fist and offer the food or toy immediately and praise.
Do that exact sequence 5 or 6 more times and each time the dog has to be coaxed in the position you desire. Reward immediately. If he sits, physicaly (genty) lift his backhind and move him into a stand, say good stand etc.. whatever praise you use and reward immediately. Do that 2 or 3 times a day, keep it very short, a minute or 2 enough to do a few repetitions and end on a high note every time.
it's better to do it and keep it short and sweet multiple times during the day then to do one long, monster session (to make up for lost time when you didn't feel like it) where the dog wil lose interest after a while, or get jittery etc... and it all goes downhill.
Remember old Latin proverb, Repetitio est mater studiorum, meaning - repetition is the mother or learning. All dog training is about is consistency, patience and doing it over and over and over without making it like school forced, but keeping it fun. It's not much different then being a good teacher to himan kids.
As for keeping it fun. it is a whgole lot more fun to, for example, take the kids on a road trip to a NASA space center with space simulators, replica of the real space shuttle, real astronaut uniforms, rides, gravity machines, real rock from the moon that could be touched, IMAX theater, space labs, real astronaut helmets etc... in Houston, then to drone about space exploration in a classroom or read it from a boring book setting where the kids will be bored out of their minds.
It's easier and better and more invigorating to do it "like fun" than to yank and crank and yell and demand this and that where the dog is in "school".
I hope that helps. All this doesn't apply to "stand" but to anything. Your imagination is a ley to your dog learning.
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