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This is a sad day for me.  I come here expecting discussion, even arguing about the dogs and it's now become a political discussion board/battleground.  Oli separated "general topic" from GSD because, supposedly, everybody was tired of the drama and wanted to discuss the dogs.  Every time somebody tries to get back to the dogs, they are told that this is supposed to be an OT page so buzz off.  Yes, we are not forced to click on the thread, but there are no others.  When was the last time anybody here visited or posted on the GSD tab?  How long has it been up and running?  Are you aware it's only on the second page?  Do you care?  Is politics the new drama?

I am not writing this to fan flames but it really has gone way over the top.  If you want to fight, keep talking politics, keep creating enemies where you came to discuss a thing you have in common with people world-wide, the GSD.  I know I have the choice to not read any of it but it's been the only current topic since the pages were split.  Oli worked his butt off because people were screaming at him that it was supposed to be about the dogs.  So, what happens?  He makes a page where other things "OT" can be discussed and it seems nobody was here about the dogs after all!  I have my own political views, as does everybody else and nobody will ever completely agree with ANYBODY else's political opinion.  I realize politics are important to people and the issues themselves are important but there are venues which would be a much better sounding board.  Writing or calling your State Representatives would be a good start, as I'm sure you are all already doing.  But, if you allow these issues to take up this much of your life it will only polarize people even more and eventually, with everybody fighting about it, nobody is listening anyway.  It serves the opposite of the purpose which was initally meant.  People are not going to change their views even if you can be more eloquent in your arguments and the discussion will just become more heated. 

I am not posting this to start another war, just wanted to say that you're right and I don't have to view these threads, I won't.  It makes me sad.  I've experienced more loss in the last year than most people could bear and I'm just not up for much more drama, fighting, intimidation, etc.  Consider this more an explanation of my absence, not that I have been a major figure, mind you.  I wanted to thank those that I have learned from and even those I have disagreed with here (most which no longer come here either).  An argument every now and again can be enlightening and a very good learning experience, I just don't want it for breakfast, lunch and dinner.  I'll continue doing what I'm doing with my dog and will share it elsewhere.  It was fun while it lasted.

Thanks Oli, it was a valiant effort.

Hey,  if you find a better forum that is more about training / working dogs and less about OT topics let me know.

Jim

iT IS CALLED      GERMAN SHEPHERD   UP IN THE LEFT HAND CORNER    CLICK ON IT....NO OT       ON IT...

No - that's a German Shepherd forum.

This one is for all other dogs and dog related issues that are not necessarily German Shepherd issues.

IMO, there is no evidence that this was ever meant to be a political or otherwise off dog topic forum. 

Yes, YR.  I've checked it out.  I meant different forums other than the PDB.   I've checked out several other forums just haven't decided on one yet.  I still think the PDB is great for pedigree research, but  the training and dog discussions have pretty much gone down hill in the past few months. 

JMO,

Jim

There is Shepherdcentral.com

didn't realize that Oli had separated the forum until this post....was wondering where all the knowledgable GS people and topics were. Won't be back to this forum again as I enjoy dogs and knowledable dog people to increase my knowledge...Toot a Loo!

Some of you people amaze me...  Truly.

There are two forums to post to and no one is posting any earth shattering revelations about the German Shepherd breed?
Ask your questions, give your advice, participate, but don't blame anything on others.
Thats just not being honest.
I think Oli did what he had to do when he had to do it.   Shit happens.
In short either participate and enjoy or don't be surprised if no one begs you to stay.
Its a nice place.
Moons.

...or better yet...  post political shite on a political forum - and post dog stuff on the dog forum...

what a f -ing concept. 

Wrong  Luvdemdogs:::  Oli has a forum for all other dogs   choose your breed and go to it...this is still for german sheherd topics and yes you can talk about anything you want   just put OT infront of it.... the other breeds have their own forums...all of them...You can talk about them if you have them  but who here would be able to talk about a  Dalmation...not many ..all the dalmation breeders are in the Dalmation pedigree database part...

Oli seperated them so that   everytime someone serious wants to talk serious   they stay on the German shepherd titled forum..like Gustav ...just said he didnt want to post here...His priviledge....even though all of the people here are most of the same people over there...but some breeders and trainers do not want to gab.   This is still  the German shepherd part of the database....kinda like a big family of german shepherd  owners that dont want to always talk shop.....lol

I love the new feature on the PM where you can now delete  your messages next week  and not immediately  and if you get behind you dont spend all day deleting the way it was at first.... I love that new feature..My list got so long  I gave up trying to get them deleted...
So now they are all gone but the last week of pms.

Thanks to Oli.