Need help with placing a dog aggressive dog... - Page 1

I need some help placing a dog, this is hard on me as I love the dog, but he's completely dog aggressive and I know there is a perfect home for him out there with NO other dogs or animals. He attacked my spayed female and thankfully they were within feet of me and I got it broken up fast, my female sustained a puncture wound above one eye and in her neck. Two nights later he jumps my small, sweet, submissive Czech male and my Czech male was in trouble, my female jumped in and my Czech got free. My female (seen in avatar) is a tremendous dog who will defend her pack until the end and saved my Czech from being seriously hurt.
The dog is a German Show line, VA father who's sired multiple VA's. He's a wonderful, loving dog, very low drive, and immaculate in the house...but he must never be around another dog. I got him because I had this tremendous show line who's grandfather is this dog's father....I thought this male would be more like her...while he's beautiful, rich black and red like her, she was much more driven and could actually work (not WUSV obviously, but nice work for a show line). There is some linebreeding, not completely overboard, but my beloved show line was only 4,5-5.
The dog grew up in an urban environment and he LOVES it here in the country so I'd like a home with land for him. He prefers to spend his days outside and nights inside. Awesome protector. Would be wonderful for a single woman who wanted a buddy to cuddle up with a night who'd be her ultimate protector. He could also work for someone who wants an absolutely stunning, faithful dog and has no animals. I do not have children and even though the dog was raised with children, I will not adopt the dog to anyone with small children. To help cover my expenses, I am asking a small adoption fee (I will be losing money, trust me), and reimbursement for his neuter as this dog cannot reproduce with his dog aggression and absolutely no breeding or kennel homes for this boy, contract stating no dogs or animals around this dog, and verification that new owner is informed the dog is dog aggressive, he does come with AKC papers and a receipt where he was $3750 as a puppy from a well known (and recently discussed) show line breeder, vet records, etc. No trainers who think they can change him, he's nearly 6....he's not going to change and it's not fair to him to have to undergo intense training at his age when he could simply be placed in a pet free home. I plan to call the people I got him from tomorrow and see what they want to do. The dog had killed their neighbor's small dog and was going to hav eto be put down and we'd hoped he'd only be small dog aggressive as he was raised with a Golden, but he is dog aggressive. Any tips, suggestions, ideas, good places to place ads where genuine people are, or if you know someone looking for a great companion who doesn't have pets, I'd appreciate any help I can get. The dog is wonderful with his human and the picture of loyalty and devotion, he's just dog aggressive. He will not jump fences or anything like that to fight, but if you leave him alone with a dog, he will fight, and he fights to win.
Thanks all,
Nichole

This dog should only go to someone you know personally or who is vouched for by someone you know. The problem is that people will agree to anything to get a beautiful dog like this cheap, then turn around and do whatever they please with the dog, contract or no contract. And when the local idiot "trainer" says you're full of crap and he can fix the dog, there will be another dead dog. This dog doesn't fight to win, he fights to kill, and that is grossly abnormal behavior. I've seen this in German showlines before, and you are right, it can't be fixed. You'll also want to make sure he's neutered before he goes anywhere, as promises to neuter go bye-bye when the new owner has the dog.

You have my sympathy, as this is a tough situation. But he will eventually kill one of your other dogs if you keep him.

I agree, get him neutered now. That way you will be having a peace of mind knowing that he can never be used
as a stud period.
There are people out there looking for such a dog, just have to find them.
And yes, I would give them verbal and written paper that he is dog aggressive and should not be with or around
other dogs period.
I will keep ears open if I here of anyone who fits the bill.
Good luck to you.

Yes, get him neutered first!

I can just imagine all the puppy millers out there drooling as they think of all the money they could make if they got their dirty hands on him!

How are his manners on leash? Will he try to get to other dogs that are being walked nearby?

Your female is she ok after the 2nd fight, when she ws protecting the other male?

Sorry Nichole, but I completely disagree with you here. You are setting up a disaster by trying to find someone who has absolutely no pets at home. This dog needs an experienced handler, not a cuddle buddy. The agression he displays toward other dogs is controlling behavior, maybe paired with dominance coming at least partially out of insecurity and frustration. He eventual will redirect that behavior at anyone he can do with.

Nicole, be careful placing him.  There are alot of bad people out there with fighting pitbulls that are now contemplating how to get their hands on him.  Try your best to get him to someone you know.  The previous posts are correct, people will say and do anything just to get him.  Get him neutered first as that is something you can control now.  If I didn't already have 2 dogs I would take him.  One of our retired police officers who was in K-9 for 20 years just lost his buddy at 13 and I will check with him If he wants another one.  They have no kids, cats, birds or dogs and a fenced yard.  Good luck.

"You are setting up a disaster by trying to find someone who has absolutely no pets at home. This dog needs an experienced handler, not a cuddle buddy. The agression he displays toward other dogs is controlling behavior, maybe paired with dominance coming at least partially out of insecurity and frustration. He eventual will redirect that behavior at anyone he can do with."

If this dog has the showline dog aggression I've seen before, this is simply not true. These dogs are wonderfully stable and affectionate with people. Their aggression toward other dogs is hideously predatory (they really do mean to kill) and horribly abnormal, but that does not mean they are a threat to people. They're like a well bred Pit Bull that will kill any other dog but is absolutely trustworthy with people (including kids). These dogs are not insecure or frustrated. This is a genetic problem. It does not change with experienced handling.

"If this dog has the showline dog aggression I've seen before, this is simply not true. These dogs are wonderfully stable and affectionate with people."

Blanket statements are a bad idea.  I would never presume to claim a dog is stable or not sight unseen. Lines have nothing to do with it, to be honest, I have seen just as many, if not more, aggressive showline dogs. I have met a few who were quite dangerous, to people, and to dogs. Nor would I say it cannot be fixed without seeing the dog.  Can the dog be a cuddle bug with other dogs, and frequent the dog park? Likely not. Can it be taught to be well mannered around dogs in public, with appropriate training? Entirely possible.

It could just be this dog is not cut out to live with other dogs. Many times dog aggression starts out with a puppy being a noisy little brat with other dogs, gets away with it, and turns into a tough guy later. Dog aggression doesn't necessarily mean the dog has "genetic problems".  Have you ever reprimanded him for this kind of behavior or taken him to a trainer who has success with dog aggression?

I'd be curious to know where the dog came from and who his parents are. I bet I know exactly where you got him and who is in his pedigree. If I'm right, I'd hazard a guess I have more experience with that line that anyone who will post here other than the breeder themselves. You can PM me, if you like.

I agree that the dog should NOT be placed with other animals, with an experienced owner. There are pet homes out there where the owner has previously owned and controlled a dog with aggression. You also need an owner committed to taking the dog to training so he is not a nuisance to the neighborhood. I also agree with neutering him.  Good luck to you, it will not be easy. At six years old he not too old to be taught to at least walk on a leash and go the park, vet, etc., without eating other dogs.