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by BMartin on 14 May 2009 - 20:05
I am in the market for some scratch pants. Does anyone have any suggestions as far as brand. I have been looking around a bit and prices vary significantly. I see a lot of helpers wearing Schweikert, but at $275, they are a little pricey. I saw the Can-Ams are pretty cheap, anyone have experience with them? I don't want to go buy them and wish I didnt after getting them. Any advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Bryon
Bryon
by habanaro on 14 May 2009 - 21:05
You may keep yours eyes peeled on ebay.. at time you can find a decent used pair. I have seen the can am stuff and for the money they are ok I thought that you almost need a jacket with them because they did'nt come up very high in the front.
Also if there any events near you may check out the vendors they may have specials at the show or at least you can save the shipping
Also if there any events near you may check out the vendors they may have specials at the show or at least you can save the shipping
by mewoodjr on 14 May 2009 - 21:05
The Schweikert are worth the money! But if you really looking for savings take a look on Ebay, just met a club helper that got his pants and jacket for under $200 used.
by mewoodjr on 14 May 2009 - 21:05
Jeff... it's kinda funny that you said Ebay too, posted at the same time. Sometimes I wonder if your Clairvoyant???
by habanaro on 14 May 2009 - 21:05
I am not clairvoyaant but I am a bit lactose inttolerant
by MarioF on 14 May 2009 - 22:05
Bought many Schutzhund items on Ebay.
Jeff is right about the Can-am pants...I bought a pair and tried them on and sent them back to Pierre that same day. I would not waste my money on them.
Schweikert IMO makes the most durable pants. Gappay are nice in the winter keep you warn, summer time they are brutual to wear. Ebinger are nice my favorites, but too much $ to have them ship from Germany.
A club member may be selling a pair of Schweikert pants. Brown ,size 54 (XL) don't remember which # is what size...Only whorn a couple of times. No scratches or tears. The owner of the pants messed up his knee...so helper work is not in his future plans.... PM me I think he wants $200.
Here is some thing I found on Ebay....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gappay-Scratch-Pants_W0QQitemZ280345482506QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4145e4950a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50
Jeff is right about the Can-am pants...I bought a pair and tried them on and sent them back to Pierre that same day. I would not waste my money on them.
Schweikert IMO makes the most durable pants. Gappay are nice in the winter keep you warn, summer time they are brutual to wear. Ebinger are nice my favorites, but too much $ to have them ship from Germany.
A club member may be selling a pair of Schweikert pants. Brown ,size 54 (XL) don't remember which # is what size...Only whorn a couple of times. No scratches or tears. The owner of the pants messed up his knee...so helper work is not in his future plans.... PM me I think he wants $200.
Here is some thing I found on Ebay....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gappay-Scratch-Pants_W0QQitemZ280345482506QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4145e4950a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50
by John Kennedy on 15 May 2009 - 02:05
If you are just starting out just use a pair of Carhart overalls. Then from there you can decide what you are looking for.
John
by cledford on 15 May 2009 - 16:05
Here are my thoughts - SKIP the Schweikerts! I bought them as I that is what I saw everyone else “good” wearing. (Ie. A lot of trial helpers and pics in the magazine) Ths was a HUGE, pricey mistake. I got the fully padded ones (padded front & rear) and they are very hard to move in - think running around in heavy ski pants. It was much worse before they were broke in. The padding on the back seems pretty useless, although I guess on a rare occasion it might be appreciated when getting chomped in the butt - but I've never even seen that happen. The extra padding is very hot, holds a ton of water (think working in the rain) and makes it hard to move. Schweikert did make a pair that weren’t padded in back - but I'm not sure if they can still be bought. Even if they can, the issues still persist as I got to try a pair once. The padding on the front (both types) wraps around the inside of thigh and much it makes it hard to run as it wads up in between your legs. (Think of obese people who get chaffing between their thighs – same thing…) This issue is exasperated by the fact that the "aero" (fake suede) material sticks to itself and you've got clothing that makes it hard to run as the padding wads up and then rubs against itself and doesn’t slide very well at all. Also, the "aero" material may look and feel like leather when new, but it doesn't hold up like leather at all. Dog slobber soaks into the material and even if you hose them off regularly, it eventually causes the material to crack!
I would highly recommend the Gappay Magic pant Jim Hill sells. A friend has them and while hot in the summer (black) they are no hotter than the Schweikerts with all off the extra padding. The Gappay's are padded less and are much more "mobile" for this reason. The flex better, don’t wad up in the thigh area and the material is slick so you don't have it sticking together between your thighs when running. They are very light also. It may sound sill, but the Schweikerts are actually heavy - in that you can feel the weight. It isn't a ton, but compared to the Gappay's that weigh next to nothing it is noticeable.
I would NOT recommend the Carhart over-alls. First, while scratch pants are really to protect you from the nails, they would offer some protection for a bite. Not so much with the Carharts. Also, I feel that helper work requires both the dog and the helper to be in the same frame of mind - protection. Like putting on trunks and gloves, when boxers or MMA fighters put their gear on they go into a different mental state that is only associated with that equipment being on. I think that by having to "suit up" for protection it puts the helper in right state of mind and also presents a CLEAR picture to the dogs, especially the young or green ones. The same dogs will see you all of the time at club and I think should have a clear indication as to what time it is. It is unfair in my opinion to walk around in a pair of over-alls all day, training day in and out and not expect the dog to be distracted in other phases earlier in the day (say during OB) and uncertain in protection (because he growled or barked at “helper” when is wasn’t time for protection) I’m not saying that older dogs or titled dogs shouldn’t’ be expected to work through this, they should. Sometime we put blinds up before OB and other time throw scratch pants and a sleeve on the field. That is all great and good when planned out and for a specific reason for older dogs further along in training, but I don’t see any benefit for not giving the younger and/or green dogs clear a clear picture about what is going on. If you’re walking in around in over –alls all day long that picture isn’t there. Even if I’m giving someone&r
I would highly recommend the Gappay Magic pant Jim Hill sells. A friend has them and while hot in the summer (black) they are no hotter than the Schweikerts with all off the extra padding. The Gappay's are padded less and are much more "mobile" for this reason. The flex better, don’t wad up in the thigh area and the material is slick so you don't have it sticking together between your thighs when running. They are very light also. It may sound sill, but the Schweikerts are actually heavy - in that you can feel the weight. It isn't a ton, but compared to the Gappay's that weigh next to nothing it is noticeable.
I would NOT recommend the Carhart over-alls. First, while scratch pants are really to protect you from the nails, they would offer some protection for a bite. Not so much with the Carharts. Also, I feel that helper work requires both the dog and the helper to be in the same frame of mind - protection. Like putting on trunks and gloves, when boxers or MMA fighters put their gear on they go into a different mental state that is only associated with that equipment being on. I think that by having to "suit up" for protection it puts the helper in right state of mind and also presents a CLEAR picture to the dogs, especially the young or green ones. The same dogs will see you all of the time at club and I think should have a clear indication as to what time it is. It is unfair in my opinion to walk around in a pair of over-alls all day, training day in and out and not expect the dog to be distracted in other phases earlier in the day (say during OB) and uncertain in protection (because he growled or barked at “helper” when is wasn’t time for protection) I’m not saying that older dogs or titled dogs shouldn’t’ be expected to work through this, they should. Sometime we put blinds up before OB and other time throw scratch pants and a sleeve on the field. That is all great and good when planned out and for a specific reason for older dogs further along in training, but I don’t see any benefit for not giving the younger and/or green dogs clear a clear picture about what is going on. If you’re walking in around in over –alls all day long that picture isn’t there. Even if I’m giving someone&r
by cledford on 15 May 2009 - 16:05
Even if I’m giving someone’s dog a single bite (or maybe no bite at all, just some heat, I always suit up. I think that helper work demands 100% commitment at all times, s the same commitment from that the dog puts into it.
Hope this helps,
-Calvin
Hope this helps,
-Calvin
by GregLeavitt on 15 May 2009 - 17:05
I have the standard Schweirkt scratch pants, the aero ones. I have the ones that are only padded in the front down to just below the knee, which is how they come standard, to get padding in the back those are a special order item. I have used the gappay ones as well but didnt like the way that they fit me. Also if you are looking for a cheap alternative check out an apron, you can get a heavy welders apron, which is almost the same as the jumas or bende one for about 20 buck at harbor freight and tool. just an idea. I have one that I wear in the summer when its too hot Greg
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