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by Phil Behun on 20 February 2010 - 07:02

What BSP did SOS Dave compete in in 2008? I also didn't know Elgos was a 5x World Champion!!!!! That's huge!
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/belgian_malinois/classifieds/8799.html

by Top Gun k9 on 20 February 2010 - 13:02

BELG RING I, MONDIO III, FR III,5X WORLD CHAMPION
Phil, I typed in his name of the database and his owner, or someone else, has him listed as a 5 Time world champion. Maybe that is why he listed that in his add...Tim

by vincentpmchugh on 21 February 2010 - 09:02

Phil God bless your endless knowledge on all Malinois without you I wouldn't know what to do. I am just listing what I have on the copy off of this site. After further reaserch I found out that this site is incorrect he was not a 5x Champion but was a 6x Competitor or at least many other sites say so. Upon breeding my Female to Dylan Perle de Tourbiere I performed quite a lot of reaserch on the lines listed in My females pedigree and hit a speedbump when I got to Elgos. One of the most widely used stud dogs ever by the way if you didn't know that!! There is a lot of information out there about him and who knows what is true and what is false! His pedigree listed on many sites has his parents as Bass de La Noaillerie and his mother as Vera de la Fontaine du Buis. Upon finding this out I was actually proactive and contacted the LOSH which if you don't know is the equivelant to the AKC over here and confirmed that his parents are actually Atos and Barbie which many other sites show. I will retract the champion and include the fact that he was a 6x competitor promptly. Phil I just wish that people would approach things a bit differenty on this site It is a reaserch site not a site to attempt to B**** people out because you may have nothing better to do. I would suggest that if you have a dog??? Take it for a walk and reflect on how you know everything and ways that you could enlighten others. Thanks!!!!

Oh and P.S. check out the VIDS of SOS Dave he actually bit the guy in the back and was DQ so much for those damn sleeve dogs. Oh and if you would like to come out to colorado and see him work give me a call, I am sure I can set something up with his owner. 720-951-1458

http://www.working-dog.eu/dogs-details/104187/Son-of-Sam-Dave

http://www.bloedlijnen.nl/

http://hondenaus.com/pedigrees/elgos_chemin_plaines.html

http://www.malinois-holland.de/stamboom-harold-elgos.html

by vincentpmchugh on 21 February 2010 - 09:02

Phil Please check out the updated version of my listing of my pups. If there are any other questions about the bloodlines or the champions or even the titles that I have listed in my pedigree I have the phone numbers and email address to many owners of the dogs listed, and yes Halusetha's Igor NHSB 1737168 is a World Champion 1998 IPO3 FMBB 98 - 1, just incase you had any further questions on the champions that I may have had listed. Oh and Phil my Bitch is really a SCH 1, let me know if you would like me to fax you a copy of her scorecard?

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/belgian_malinois/classifieds/8799.html

by Top Gun k9 on 21 February 2010 - 13:02

Thanks for all you do Phil. I have never met you but maybe one day I will have the opportunity. I appreciate that you monitor my website and help me correct my spelling errors. You see I am a cop by trade and have been for over 20 years. I sometimes make mistakes when I spell. But know that if you are ever in my city and someone tries to harm you, I will be there to assist you and you would probably not even care how my grammar is. Virgo was listed at Ring 3 as I was told he was by people who participate in the Sport. You never sent me anything that would refute that other than your BS words...Anyway take the advice from the other posting and go for a walk and stop harassing people on this site like a coward...Tim

by Phil Behun on 22 February 2010 - 04:02

All I'm concerned with is the truth about the breed. Since when does calling someone out on false advertising to sell puppies constitute being a coward? Is there something wrong with being a student of the breed and a student of the working sports? Have you ever competed in the working sports or are you just breeding the dogs on the basis of being a 20 year police officer? I happen to be a 30 year dog trainer and I as of yet have not told you how to write a ticket. Apparently being PC has become more popular than being truthful. Personally, I'd rather tell the truth and not advertise credentials without first checking them out and learning a little bit more about my breed before I popped out puppies as a side job to make money.

FYI, it's a scorebook and not a scorecard unless you are competing with DVG, and in that case it would be VPG and not SchH. And, it's SchH not SCH, another free lesson. I wouldn't have a problem with someone making a spelling error but when the error is made because of a lack of knowledge of the subject, then I cry foul. Maybe learning and listening to people who do the working sports would be in order. Maybe I can offer you some advice, don't quit your day job.

by vincentpmchugh on 22 February 2010 - 05:02

Phil the litter I bred with Dylan was to better the breed. I have looked out your site and was not impressed with any one dog on there! Also as a breeder that is so concerned with the breed I would expect you to at least title your Bitches before breeding them to prove that they are of breeding stock. For being around for 30 years there is not much to say about your resume!! Everyone has specific reasons to breed but someone like yourself that is so concerned with everyone else should hold their tongue and take a look at themselves before shairing your personal knowledge with the rest of us. I would like to see what the pups have done that came out of your breedings; truly. At least a large part of the Dogs if not most that Top Gun K-9 is producing are successful in many different aspects and they are honest with the people that they sell their dogs to. As for yourself there is probaly a reason that you don't show the accomplisments of the pups that you have sold. This is my first breeding and the pups that I have will all go to very committed working homes, with a limited registration that will only be released after the dogs have achieved a working title, this aspect alone has driven away breeders like yourself that are only concerned with making a buck! Anyone else that may have questions or concerns, I will happily answer them. Anyone interested in Phils dogs please check out his site listed below! Here Phil a little advertising for your business I hope this helps!!!

http://boonecountydogsport.com/index.htm

Anyone else please feel free to contact me on my cell at 720-951-1458 or via e-mail at vincent.mchugh@yahoo.com

by Phil Behun on 22 February 2010 - 07:02

Difference being, the sports I speak of on our website are sports that I actually compete in and have done fairly well in. As far as "impressing" you, I don't think that was on my list of goals. Personally, I don't like taking pictures or videos of my dogs. I train my dogs for my own edification, my own enjoyment so if you are or are not impressed it is of no consequence to me. But you will notice that all of the info on our web page is true and accurate. You may also notice that in most Malinois pedigrees, including those of your own dogs, the females are untitled. The bloodlines of my breeding females are strong and their temperaments are sound or not only wouldn't I breed them, I wouldn't own them. My concern is for the protection and betterment of the breed. When you advertise and chirp about credentials, maybe they should be true. How did my dogs and my website come in question? Am I advertising something here that is not true? Is there something on my website that I advertised here that is not true? Was I not Central Zone Selectif 2007 FRII Champion? Was I not 2007 Vice FRII Cup Winner? Was I not 2007 FRII Vice National Champion? Has my wife not participated in the last 2 FMBB Agility World Championships and going again this year? Has she not completed her MACH on her female and participated in the last 3 AKC Agility National Championships and been invited to the Eukanuba Invitational?

My point in the whole matter is, check your facts before you broadcast accomplishments that aren't necessarily true. Personally I know little about Dutch pedigrees as I don't like that type of dog and don't plan to own any. Probably two of the best resources for knowledge are Kadi Thingvall and Debbie Skinner, learn from them. Thanks for posting one of the links to our website, I'm sure anyone who wanted to see it could have just found it by Googling my name, I'm not hiding.

by Jon luc on 22 February 2010 - 23:02

Phil you have the same picture for Bart as you do for Taureau? This is on Working Dog EU. It has been
that way for two years. These are two different dog with the same picture. I never said anything, but I am
sure other people notice as well. I would have emailed you, but I am afraid I would have misspelled something.

Best regards
Two very good dogs, Dylan and Master. We were very lucky to get them over here.

by Phil Behun on 23 February 2010 - 02:02

The picture of Bart is with his former owner Henri Barteau. The picture of Taureau is with me at the 2007 Central Zone Selectif.

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