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Videx

by Videx on 02 May 2009 - 15:05

The update on the 1st meeting held with the Kennel Club (KC)
regarding the GSD Improvement Plan (GSDIP)
promoted by the GSD Partnership (GSDP)
on the 7th April 2009
(as published in the latest GSD NATIONAL MAGAZINE - 4+ pages)

I LOOK FORWARD TO COMMENTS


funky munky

by funky munky on 02 May 2009 - 18:05

I have never been a fan of the anyone can get it title " k.c. accredited breeder scheme". Take a look at one of the many puppy advertising sights,Epupz, Pets4homes, Freeads,etc.. Have a look at the ones claiming to be accredited breeders as if it means something. Then look at thier breeding animals and what they breed, it is down right disgusting. I am not saying that all A.B. are the same but having this "title" gives some of the worst breeders a way to exploit the novice buyer. It most certainly does NOTHING to improving the breed, quite the opposite imo. If the K.C. think this scheme will improve the quality of gsd  breeding in this country, they and anyone else who thinks the same is either blind or stupid or maybe both. Liz

luvdemdogs

by luvdemdogs on 02 May 2009 - 18:05

Seems to me the "plan" is to formalize all of the health testing and color issues that most of the proponents on this board endorse, or the pups can't be registered with the UK Kennel Club.

It's kinda of like a "put your money where your mouth is" - "shit or get off the pot" - attitude.  Unless I've missed something  - it appears that dogs will be non-registerable unless they're tested as healthy.

I'm not sure what the objection could be unless breeders are planning on NOT health testing their dogs..

Did I read the right report? 

Here:

Link to report


It appears that - because the offspring of registered dogs apparently must be registerable, according to a law there, the two tier system looks to differentiate what some call "pet quality"  by color coding the registrations -  kind of formalizing the differences between the different "qualities" as described by the breed standard and health.

I think it is unfortunate that they have linked non-health and health related faults together personally. 

Is there another site link with the update referred to?  

Joyce

by Joyce on 02 May 2009 - 19:05

luvdemdogs
The link you have read is what is proposed by the  GSD Partnership  from the league website.
The Accredited breeder scheme is what the kennel club think acceptable.



Kennel Club Accredited breeder scheme
The idea is commendable but in practice it is a joke, sorry don`t want to offend anyone but puppy farmers who breed large numbers in multiple breeds are allowed to be members
Joe Public thinks that this is some guarantee as to the quality of what they are buying and how they will be treated by the breeder, when in fact it isn`t.  Many are too fond of using the membership to sell puppies,  the word accredited gives credentials that don`t exist in many cases which is wrong and misleading.
It needs more stringent checks even before memberships are accepted.
Yes we do need something that ensures that everything is done correctly but the present scheme falls short by a mile 
And yet another money earner for the Kennel Club.

Accredited Breeder a title that should be earned -  not bought.

luvdemdogs

by luvdemdogs on 02 May 2009 - 20:05

Thanks, Joyce.  That's what I thought.  I took it from Videx that he was speaking about the GSD partnership and I think Funky Monkey was talking about the "accredited breeder plan" - which is obviously a completely different animal. :)

Sue B

by Sue B on 02 May 2009 - 22:05



I abhor the fact I felt it necessary to come back here to make comment but not more so than I abhor the ABS.
If I never, ever say anything else on this messageboard, let me make one thing absolutely clear, AS LONG AS THERE IS BREATH IN MY BODY I WILL NEVER BECOME A SIGNATORY TO THE KC's Accredited Breeder Scheme, I despise hypocrites so I certainly do not intend to allow the KC to turn me into one.  IMO the ABS is nothing but a 'CON' to breeders and the majority of Breeders using it are doing nothing more than perpetuating the CON onto the General Public.

The Scheme is NOT MANDATORY so pays nothing more than LIP SERVICE to the Health and Welfare of Pedigree Dogs yet does so in a way to attract the unsuspecting Joe Public into believing these people are actually doing all the Health checks it claims.

1. The scheme is A PUBLIC SCAM, It is so because the KC neither check, expect nor do they even insist that anyone who signs up to the scheme actually complies to ANY of the Health tests or schemes that is recommended for any breed.

2. I would NEVER sign up to something that I did not intend to FULLY COMPLY WITH 100%. Anything less than 100% committment to a promise to adhere to Specific Health Screening tests is tantermount to fraud. If you cannot fully comply with ALL you sign up for then IMO you should not sign up at all and to do so and then only make a Half Hearted committment whereby you pick and chose when and where it suits you is nothing short of Hypocritical and an attempt to either pull the wool, fool or even con puppy buyers.

3. To comply with the current KC ABS recommendations for GSD;s would immediately reduce any available, suitable stud dogs of any  real worth or value to a level of almost zero percent. (0.5% if you were very, very lucky, depending upon your females bloodline).

4. Any signatory to the KC ABS who insist they COMPLY to ALL the recommendations of the scheme will find they have immediately become untruthful should they decide to use ANY EUROPEAN stud dog as for starters NO GERMAN stud dogs have undergone eye tests, Heamophilia testing, nor have they gone through the KC's own DNA scheme (which is the only DNA scheme the KC currently recognise) and I could go on.

That is my take on this scheme, a NON MANDATORY scheme is as useless as the paper it is written on especially since the majority that are signed up to it are actually doing less than the majority of us who believe it to be nothing but a CON and just another way for the KC to increase their yearly income.  

Regards
Sue B

ps Actually Joyce said it all in her excellent post above and summed it up perfectly in her last sentance. Accredited Breeder should be earned and not bought. Brilliant Joyce.

Videx

by Videx on 03 May 2009 - 00:05


The Kennel Club (UK)  "accredited breeder scheme"
has very little credibility
The "GSD Partnership" with its "update"
has seriously endangered its own credibility
(anyone wanting to receive the "update" please email me)

 


luvdemdogs

by luvdemdogs on 03 May 2009 - 00:05

Videx:

Can you post the "update" so fair comment can be made?  I thought you were speaking about the link I had posted?

funky munky

by funky munky on 03 May 2009 - 06:05

Sue, good to see you back, even if it is just for one time, hope not. As usual excellent post which i fully agree with. If the K.C. in this country STILL think this is the way forward for dog breeding in this country they are further off the mark than i thought. Is anything ever going to make the KC wake up and smell the coffee? NOPE!!!!! not while there's sooo much money involved.

Videx

by Videx on 03 May 2009 - 07:05

luvmedogs: If you read my first post, the one which starts this thread, you will see that I am referring to a very specific article published in the latest GSD National Magazine. and I state it is 4+ pages, actually it is four and a half pages long. This is a UK magazine.





 


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