Breeder thinks these lines are working lines - Page 1

Debate on another board, so breeder suggested it be posted here since he doesn't believe those of us who know pedigrees:

"All our dogs are show and working lines. The person that said they are only show is totally wrong. They probably aren't familiar with Schutzund, but if you look at the pedigree on the German database, thats all the proof you need. Hope all is well."

Admiral V Sthrn http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/549164.html

Engels Jax Von Windmill http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/538261.html

Windmill's Aliya Vom Engel http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/565593.html

Ninja Von Windmill Engel http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/538268.html

Era Von Davalos http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/503896.html

and lastly:

Engel's Lorda Batu Von Davalos http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/560756.html

breeder also posted: go to the German database and post a comment like the one you posted here. I'd be interested in seeing the responses you get from the experts on the German lines. If you get the same responses as I've seen here, than I'll be the 1st one to admit I'm wrong.

so that's what i've done. Now I wasn't born yesterday. Dogs are showlines thru and thru. A schutzhund title does not make a working line nor a working dog.

So does anyone else thing these dogs are working lines???!!!!

Here's another one who thinks the dogs are working lines!

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/classifieds/79571.html

He asked for responses so please tell me, working lines, showlines? I'll assume if no responses then that means that other people on here know pedigrees/lines like I do and others who have already told him showlines.

Seems anyone who has a dog with a title somewhere (anywhere!) in its pedigree thinks they have "working lines."
Business as usual.
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Would help if you made them actual links.

just did, tool bar was missing from replies, now it's back? so fixed  :)

Even I, with a few clicks could see "showlines" right off the bat. 

Funnier yet... those people generally believe that "with the right trainer" any/all of their dogs can earn titles.
Nothing could be farther from the truth.

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Hopefully more experts will post.

No Question about this one...

100% Showlines!!

Even I know those are show lines .

100% German Showline except for Aliya who appears to be 1/2 German Showline and 1/2 American Pet line.  ZERO working line, anywhere in any of the pedigrees posted.  And the breeder shouldn't be claiming "working" anything as none of the listed dogs have any sort of working titles themselves (so should really not be bred in the first place) but since he is breeding them - at least don't scam or con or sell puppies claiming anything he has in his kennel is "working".  Breeder doesn't even know what lines he has - shouldn't be breeding!

molly (who does know just a little bit about bloodlines, breeding and Schutzhund)
Eichenluft
http://workinggermanshepherd.com

not working lines.  mostly, but not entirely, showlines; a couple of the dogs show several generations of the motherline to be (what look like) american pet breeding.