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by SitasMom on 28 April 2009 - 01:04

Why are trials with breed surveys so few and far between expecially in the southwest?

Seems like the east and west coast and heartland have plenty, but not so in the southwest.

Rezkat5

by Rezkat5 on 28 April 2009 - 01:04

Even living in the Northeast I wish that there were more around. 

I don't know why more clubs don't do it.   Being involved in a few it is "extra" work, especially paperwork, so maybe that's it. 

Kathy

jletcher18

by jletcher18 on 28 April 2009 - 02:04

mid central is not much better.   seems to me there are more of them on the coast, due to the larger number of clubs and show breeders there.   cost is another factor.  there are only 2 usa judges that can do them, so if you cant get one of them you have to fly in a german judge.

just a guess.

john

by SitasMom on 28 April 2009 - 02:04

we had a german judge in Hutto this spring - still no breed survey and it was a regional event.

Rezkat5

by Rezkat5 on 28 April 2009 - 02:04

John,

Usually that money that you bring in with a survey/show tends to off set the cost.  If you get a "popular" judge, expecially with the working dogs, they can be profitable.  Usually $50 per show entry and around $100 per survey entries.  In most cases the judge can do several of them on a weekend.  And since there are so few around, the turnout can be good.  The club on long island usually does a schutzhund trial the Friday before the show/survey and/or a AD (for those dogs that might not have it).  So you can do everything in one weekend sometimes.   However getting the judges from Germany has to be planned a very long time in advice, sometimes 18 months for some of them. 

But, just like a club would (at least U.S.A.) to get approved to hold trials, the club must put on an affiliation show to get approved to hold one.  Our club has gotten that far, but we haven't yet been able to schedule a show/survey.


 


Rezkat5

by Rezkat5 on 28 April 2009 - 02:04

sita,

Was the judge a koermeister too?


by SitasMom on 28 April 2009 - 02:04

I'll have to check about that

by SitasMom on 28 April 2009 - 02:04

this was the judge in Hutto, I don't know if he's a koermiester or not. I enjoyed watching him judge, his reviews were very enlightning. He once judged Hero's father, and was very surprised to see one of his pups all the way in Texas. Sait he thought Hero will become very beautiful and have plenty of drive. (I fell for his politics hook line and sinker - I just love a judge who says great things about my puppy!).

Oh well, back to the origional question why so few conformaiton, puppy, and breed surveys way down here in Texas or any where else? Seems like regional trials would be a great time to do it.

Manfred Scholz

I have been a member of the SV for over 40 years. I have actively trained many dogs as a SV teaching helper and shown my own dogs in trials/shows.

Over 30 years ago, I received my SV judging license.
I have judged several regional championships in Germany as well as the FCI World Qualifications Trial.

In the United States, I have been fortunate to serve as a judge for over 50 trials in the United States and Canada including several regional championships. In 1994, I judged the obedience phase at the 1994 North American Championship.

The dog sport has allowed me to travel extensively in Europe to judge national championships in Finland, Spain, and England.

Finally, I have helped many apprentice judges in Germany, England, USA, and several other countries. I look forward to returning to Texas and judging your regional championship.

Good Luck!

 


Mystere

by Mystere on 28 April 2009 - 03:04

Breed surveys are not usually paired with trials, for one thing. :-) So, you would not have a breed survey coupled with a regional (trial) championship. Some clubs, as noted, do have a trial, WITH a show and breed survey, particularly if it is a regional CONFORMATION show (not regional championship trial. ). ¶ The main reason that you find so few all in one weekend are because there are only a handful of "three for" SV judges, meaning judges who are licensed to judge trials, shows and are koermeisters who can conduct surveys. Because there are so few, they must be scheduled 18-24 months in advance. ¶We have only Grewe and McIntyre in the US (not sure McIntyre is a koermeister- check USA website). Even then, One is on the West Coast (Grewe) and the other on the East Coast, so travel time and cost is still at a premium.

Rezkat5

by Rezkat5 on 28 April 2009 - 03:04

Wilfred Scheld is a popular choice among working line folks.  He's not a schutzhund judge, but is an HGH judge.  So in the case of when the First HGH Herding Club had a him a few years ago, there was an HGH trial, Breed Show, and Breed Survey. 

I know at the Northeast Regional Conformation Show last year, the judge Helmut Konig, was a Schutzhund judge and Koermeister.  So they had a Schutzhund trial on Friday. 

And yes wouldn't work for a Regional Championship weekend because of all the entries in the working part.  





 


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