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by SitasMom on 24 April 2009 - 21:04
If a breeder has 1 studs and 10 bitches with 2 full time employees, the bitches are constantly pregnent and the dogs life in filth and the puppies are basicly wild.......
but a breeder has say 5 studs and 30 bitches and 15 full time employees, and each bitch has a litter say 1.5 times a year. and the dogs and puppies are well care for...........what is the problem with 20 litters a year?
does it matter how many litters a kennel has as much as how each dog and puppy is taken care of???
by Shandra on 24 April 2009 - 21:04
by SitasMom on 24 April 2009 - 21:04
mama dog tied to a tree, no health care, no certifications, no decent food.........
puppies raised on the dirt, worms, sick...........no one takes time with them...........
16 puppies a year, are they going to find homes..........or end up in a shelter?
A GOOD breeder with a vast network of clients and a more then prefect reputation will be be able to place 200 puppies a year. That breeder will also understand inventory and breed as required to make sure that there are not too many puppies. That breeder will also have guarentees and will take back dogs and puppies whos owners for what ever reason can no longer care for them..........
Back yard breeders or production breeders should have the same set of moral ethics.........
take proper care of all dogs
breed only as many as you can place
research placement homes
take extra care of puppies and make sure to socilize all puppies
guarentee health
track puppies
take back of finantial issues cause owner to have to give up puppy placed.
by Trafalgar on 24 April 2009 - 22:04
What's wrong with ONE litter every 5 or 6 years- and that one being well taken care of, thoughtfully planned, etc.....all the good things you allude to?
Even every 5 or 6 years is too much.
One or two litters in a lifetime us quite enough as far as I'm concerned.
I don't think churning out puppies should be a hobby. Neither should searching for the perfect dog be a hobby.
Neither should trying to breed the perfect dog be a hobby.
The training, exercising, teaching, etc....of a pet dog - should be the hobby.
Many more people should breed.....but each and everyone of them should breed very, very, very few times. (Once or twice.)
My opinion, of course.
by Gilgarmor on 24 April 2009 - 22:04
by VonIsengard on 24 April 2009 - 23:04
There's a breeder like that out this way, too. I've heard horror stories about the filth and sick puppies. She constantly sells multiple puppies at once to families (talks them into it, even). Her website has a link for OFA but none of her current breeding stock can be found on it. Not a title or certification or rating to be seen. ANd she's a bald faced liar, she's told clients of mine that their dog could do well in schutzhund, or conformation....If you visit her site she has 2-6 litters on the ground at any time. It's gross.
I've put out all of 2 smaller litters myself and it was not easy homing them with people I felt were right for them. 20 litters a year....god, they're LIVING CREATURES, not merchandise.
by SitasMom on 24 April 2009 - 23:04
the point being made is that very many times people on this board scoff at a professional breeder, for being just that "professional".
shouldn't the importance be placed not on how many puppies, but rather if each dog and puppy is being properly cared for and that the puppies are given planty of time in human contact and that the puppies are placed?
that the dogs are at least hip elbow certified and titled? that there is a guarentee, and so forth?
the problem isn't whether the breeding outfit is large or small the broblem it wheter the breeder is professional or not.
by Red Sable on 24 April 2009 - 23:04
by VonIsengard on 24 April 2009 - 23:04
And lets be honest here- who the heck has the time to screen buyers for 20 litters a year? Sooner of later those puppies have got be moved, especially when you have more on the way. When you sell that many dogs, you have to be less discerning about you sell to. If you're super picky, you'll sit on dozens of puppies for months and months, and that isn't good for the dogs either.
Like I said, just not for me.
by dogshome9 on 24 April 2009 - 23:04
I agree with everything said by KCzaja, there is no way you can screen buyer for 20 litters a year. It is not only about the puppies but about the adults also, what would their quality of life be, would there be time for hugs, walks, training, play time? I think not.
What about breed improvement, because they have a stud in house, would they constantly use him or would they use outside studs to improve their breeding program, (that is if they have one)?
Isn't the idea of breeding a litter to improve the breed?
I do know of breeders that only ever use their own stud on their bitches, 7 - 10 litters each year, they never keep any puppies, sell them all, from where I sit they are the same as puppy mills.
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