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by KathyMo on 24 April 2009 - 20:04
Does anybody remember getting burned by the infamous Base Marantz / VOM SIEGEREHOUSE Kennels, another high end puppy mill in the 1980's from southern California. It's been 24 years and I still remember his name.
There's a name from the past! My good friend bought a male from him who was a grandson of the Arminius dog (Which one was it? I can't remember now. Canto?) who was known to produce hemophelia. She spent thousands of dollars on this poor dog who died an awful death at not quite 3 years old, of hemophelia. To this day if she mentions the dog Base's name comes across her lips with venom.
Kathy
There's a name from the past! My good friend bought a male from him who was a grandson of the Arminius dog (Which one was it? I can't remember now. Canto?) who was known to produce hemophelia. She spent thousands of dollars on this poor dog who died an awful death at not quite 3 years old, of hemophelia. To this day if she mentions the dog Base's name comes across her lips with venom.
Kathy
by SitasMom on 24 April 2009 - 23:04
sad, sometimes ya just gotta let go, hanging on to such hatred will shorten your life...........but not necessarly forget.............l
by beetree on 24 April 2009 - 23:04
I don't know anything about the past, but the Canto/hemopheliac issue is a well known topic here. I hope you exaggerate when you say your friend spews venom from something that happened so long ago.
by DDR-DSH on 25 April 2009 - 00:04
I remember Base. I actually never met him, but he was not far from me in Santa Barbara, California. He brought in some interesting dogs. Definitely the prestige dog importer in California at that time. I heard he dropped dead of a heart attack. Wow.. That was a LONG time ago!
He had a dog named Canto von der Helm.. MASSIVE head on that dog! There was a half brother named Ben von der Helm who also had a big head. Those were impressive dogs!
The venom thing.. I know it still hurts, but really.. I don't think anyone in the dog business is going out looking for bad dogs to sell to people.. nor to breed bad dogs. It just happens. That's the nature of genetics, and each of these dogs is a unique individual. You have to see a lot of the same problem before you can really say that it is linked to a particular individual. At that time, there was no genetic testing, such as there is today. Now, they might catch it faster. That disorder was called "von Willebrand's disease". They actually got it smacked down pretty fast. I have not heard of any dogs affected for a long time.
Something else to keep in mind is that this is an inherent weakness in the show system, that everyone runs to the big show winners, and sometimes they are not genetically healthy. But, no one knows, until the same problem is seen repeatedly in the offspring. Look up HYPP aka "Impressive syndrome" in Quarter Horses. This all came from one top halter (conformation) champion in that breed. Likewise, there was a well known line in American show line GSDs where there was a serious heart defect. Some breeders knew about it and kept breeding anyway, because they were getting show winners. Now to me, that is sick! But, some people got the sickness, you know? They will do whatever it takes to win. I think the worst problem may be that while everyone is chasing these top show winners, that other really worthy dogs are being neglected and overlooked.. finally they go extinct. So, by the time you realize you have a problem, there is nothing left to cross out to? Our breed is large enough that we are not likely to encounter serious bottlenecks like this, but any gene pool can be narrowed down, despite large population numbers.
He had a dog named Canto von der Helm.. MASSIVE head on that dog! There was a half brother named Ben von der Helm who also had a big head. Those were impressive dogs!
The venom thing.. I know it still hurts, but really.. I don't think anyone in the dog business is going out looking for bad dogs to sell to people.. nor to breed bad dogs. It just happens. That's the nature of genetics, and each of these dogs is a unique individual. You have to see a lot of the same problem before you can really say that it is linked to a particular individual. At that time, there was no genetic testing, such as there is today. Now, they might catch it faster. That disorder was called "von Willebrand's disease". They actually got it smacked down pretty fast. I have not heard of any dogs affected for a long time.
Something else to keep in mind is that this is an inherent weakness in the show system, that everyone runs to the big show winners, and sometimes they are not genetically healthy. But, no one knows, until the same problem is seen repeatedly in the offspring. Look up HYPP aka "Impressive syndrome" in Quarter Horses. This all came from one top halter (conformation) champion in that breed. Likewise, there was a well known line in American show line GSDs where there was a serious heart defect. Some breeders knew about it and kept breeding anyway, because they were getting show winners. Now to me, that is sick! But, some people got the sickness, you know? They will do whatever it takes to win. I think the worst problem may be that while everyone is chasing these top show winners, that other really worthy dogs are being neglected and overlooked.. finally they go extinct. So, by the time you realize you have a problem, there is nothing left to cross out to? Our breed is large enough that we are not likely to encounter serious bottlenecks like this, but any gene pool can be narrowed down, despite large population numbers.
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