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sueincc

by sueincc on 20 April 2009 - 02:04

So how do you feel about your dog's blind search?  Are you happy with the way your dog performs this task?  Anybody have any problems they want to talk about?  How about training issues?  Do you teach the blind search now the same way you did 5 or 10 years ago?  Let's talk all things "search"!


wuzzup

by wuzzup on 20 April 2009 - 03:04

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Slamdunc

by Slamdunc on 20 April 2009 - 05:04

why are all of wuzzups posts blank?  Is that a glitch or intentional? 

Just curious.

Jim


by Teri on 20 April 2009 - 10:04

My girl and I are both new to Schutzhund and she is not ready for blind searches yet.  But I would welcome any advice you would be willing to share. 

Teri


Rezkat5

by Rezkat5 on 20 April 2009 - 12:04

I'm pretty happy with how both my dog's blind searches turned out.  Both were taught a little differently.  Once the dog knows a little about about the fact that the blind could contain a helper, we started very close to blind number 5 setting the dog up so that it has no choice but to go around it.  Usually right up next to the blind, then gradually move further and further away.  :)  Basically ended up back chaining the rest of the blinds.    

For my male, ended up using an e collar to clean up the blinds, as was flipping me off to go to the helper after a blind or two.  And if he "goofed" off going to a blind, ie:  faking me out, then turning around.  Chased his butt, more or less around it.  Didn't have to do that more than a couple of times.  LOL  In the end he has a very nice blind search!  He's retired now, but brought him out for fun yesterday and was flying around the blinds! 

My female, we ended up using the long line method when starting to add more blinds. 

 

Kathy


Mystere

by Mystere on 20 April 2009 - 16:04

 I have not yet begun the blind search with my bitch (14 months old).  But, I can tell that it is going to be a real bitch!!  She seems categorically unable to follow where I am pointing at any time.  Looks at me and gives me the doggy "pffftt."        I   taught the blind search to my first sch dog in 2 days with a toy.  The male took 4 days with a toy.   I expect this bitch to take weeks. :D


Changer

by Changer on 20 April 2009 - 18:04

Love my current dog's blind search. Taught it very differently than any other dog I've had. Used to teach a go around the blind with a ball throw from me in the center of the field. Now, since it is so important for the dog to run tight and look in each blind, I teach a tug toy in each blind with tugging from me in the center of the field. Then, in protection, I stack the blinds with helpers whenever I have more than one helper. And also, rarely work in blind six. At any given session, the dog could think there may be more than one helper, even if he knows where one is already. I also stick a judge on blind six and the helper elseware, since the dog keys on people outside the blind as well.Takes longer to get the obedience of running the blinds because the dog tends to blow you off at first but gets a very fast compliance later on. At the trial this weekend, the judge said he looks for the dog's ears to go up before each blind. Interesting point, so I looked for it and sure enough, Reik's ears went up before each blind. NICE!
The only thing I don't like is dogs tend to run the blinds in one direction only and my next dog I will teach to run a figure 8 around the blinds in order to keep all of them very tight.

Shade


by TessJ10 on 20 April 2009 - 19:04

Started it by working the dog at # 6 with the helper, doing a hold & bark (for example), dog gets a bite and a drive or else helper just works the dog a little.  Have the dog "out" the sleeve, then kick it towards the helper and then build drive again.  Helper runs away to blind # 6, dog's like "lemme go get him!" Then lead  the dog towards # 5.  Dog really wanting to go back to that blind # 6 and get the bad guy, and at first I let him be focused on # 6 while I'm pulling him along to # 5.  When I get to the blind I give the command and send him around the blind (only had to go with him 2 or 3x).  As he rounds the blind the helper back in 6 cracks his whip which of course makes the dog (who may be saying what the heck are we doing out here?) ZOOM back to the helper like a bat out of **** (or a GSD on a blind search :D) and he goes right into a hold and bark.  If your dog needs it you can have another person at # 6 to pick up dog's long line to pop him back if he's dirty or whatever a dog might need (IF he needs anything) so it's dealt with while you're still coming in from #5.  Because once he hears that whip crack as he's rounded 5 he is going to RUN, and even if you run back he's sure going to be there a lot faster than you, so it's helpful to have someone there in case a correction is needed. 

After 2x of the above my dog was Dragging me to # 5 so he could go around it and head back to the helper.  This taught him the speed of the search.  Dogs ahead of him in training - that's when you mix it up and put helpers here and there so they're definitely looking in each one hoping to find a bad guy.  Now I tell him Fuss and go out to the field and send him on a search from there.  The first paragraph was just how he started learning and yes, I'm pleased with the results.

They catch on really quick that they MUST go around the blind in order to get back to the helper where all the fun is.  If they fake you out and don't do the blind search but just head for the helper, it's Pfui! Hier! or a Platz command to stop them and make them do it right.  Should they totally disregard you (which means you need to do more obedience work!) and head to the helper anyway, since he's heard your Pfui! he drops the sleeve and steps out of the blind - no fun for doggie.  So again, they learn very quickly that they must search where told to search or else no fun.  Because let's face it, their noses tell them where the helper is so they MUST go where directed even when they know no one is there.  If they are NEVER rewarded when they don't properly search a blind or when they skip a blind, they learn that if they miss a blind or don't do it right, no fun with the helper, EVER.  At least that's the plan (LOL).  We have someone watching so they can tell the helper - Nope, no good - and if the dog shows up he's not getting a bite.

Again, helpers in different blinds - that's added after they have the Voran (or Revier) command understood.

 


sueincc

by sueincc on 20 April 2009 - 20:04

We use long lines too, Kathy. 


by Teri on 20 April 2009 - 21:04

Lots of really great idea's guys.  My girl will be 2 in May but I had a set back when I had to have back surgery in December.  Her breeder has been helping me by working her, which helped her out.  I am the one who is behind in the training!!!!!    I've just started doing her tracking and obedience myself but the breeder still does her protection work, my girl is wearing a harness and still on lead.  I can't handle that yet but am determined to as soon as possible. :o)  I get so excited and proud watching her work.  Team work has really made it possible for me to continue her training during this time.  She's a faster learner than me and less clumsey too.       

Teri






 


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