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When people are putting their ads up to sell puppies on this message board, why do they always say "BEST PUPPY for SALE" when people know for a fact that the BEST PUPPY will never leave their kennels? Has anyone else noticed this? Dawn Bonome

My personal favorite is: "This is the puppy we kept for ourselves but now he/she's available because we don't have the time". Not to offend anyone, but 99% of the time that is practically a pickup line lol. Usually, its the one thats left because no one else wants it or the pup turns out to be a crapper. lol. Makes you wonder who you can trust to actually get what you're wanting. I lucked out with my mal and got him from my trainer (ex trainer since we moved across the country). He knew how I handled dogs and my skill level and found me something appropriate for what I needed, and I couldn't be happier with my dog :) But if I decide to go puppy shopping again...how do I know I'm not spending a fortune on something thats going to turn out to be a piece of junk?? Too many 'breeders' out there would rather make a buck than care to be honest with you about what you're buying :(

EMTBStephanie, I agree with you... But the sad reality is that Almost all breeders are wanting to make a quick buck... Theirs however some who really do care and will work out a plan for the buyer who cannot afford that 1500 or more of what the breeder is asking for... those are the breeders that i have most respect for and hope to encounter one of theses days for my future busniess :)

Again I stress looking for a breeder that does temperment test on the litters and handler owner trains most of thier dogs. I have found that these breeders are more interested in good placements and happy people because they know how much time and money goes into raising a good puppy into a good adult. Also we all know that a puppy is a risk. I personally would never buy a puppy for show/breeding...I would buy an older pup that you can already have hips checked, and know that the testicals are down on. AND you can see better the conformation of the dog. I don't sell any of my pups as PICK of the litter, because what I want may not be what you want. I personally think that there is a perfect home for each puppy. For instance I have a pup that just went home yesterday that had a very soft temperment and would have never been a pup that I would have pick for myself or a trainer/showing person, but I have some clients that are very soft people and he was perfect for them...so even though he was not a good pup for most of us on this board he was perfect for them....I really don't even pick my puppies that I am keeping based on the conformation, I do it on drive and temperment. That way I know even if my pup isn't a conformation show winner I can still work the dog and do well there. And who really cares if you have a nice conformation dog if all it wants to do is sit on the couch eating bon bon's and watching TV. Also the plus side of buying an older pup or a young adult, is that you really know what you are getting as far as the showing/breeding issues...and you get to start training the dog right away, then later pick the male (if you got a female pup) that you like the best and breed him to your bitch and then pick the best puppy for you 'PICK OF THE LITTER' and show a pupp under your kennel name and have what you think is the best puppy.

This is also a reason why as a breeder I have one price for all my puppies...You just don't know, you can 'think' that one pup was better than the other....I had a nice black and red litter a couple of years ago, and there were two pups that really looked the same in color and conformation so I picked the pup with the best drives for me.. I got to board the other dog again at 2 years of age, and boy was she a nice bitch...she ended up being a better conformation dog then the one that I kept, even though my little bitch would have placed in the V rating and so would have the other girl, she was just nicer...But my girl has super drives so when you are looking at her you think wow nice looking girl and then when you work her you are thinking I want more like this one. Ok I am a little winded today. lol Heather

Brittany wrote: Puppy Ads (0 replies) 19 June 2005 - 09:06 "I agree with you... But the sad reality is that Almost all breeders are wanting to make a quick buck... Theirs however some who really do care and will work out a plan for the buyer who cannot afford that 1500 or more of what the breeder is asking for... those are the breeders that i have most respect for and hope to encounter one of theses days for my future busniess :) " Hello Brittany, We have been long time users of this board, and just recently found a super female to purchase through this very board, (Big Thank you to Amy of vom Neohaus and Werner from Kennel Barockschloessle for Tonga!) I just felt the need to reply to this posting of your since you seem to contradict yourself in it yet again.. You seem to really dislike so many breeders, and chastise them continuously for "making a quick buck), yet you state you appreciate those breeders who will basically allow you to have a dog/puppy for less $$, perhaps payments, or even free? And you want this future dog for your "future business"?!?!?! Seems like those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Why is it ok for you to look at dogs as a "future business", but heaven help anyone else who seeks to break even or maybe worse, put a couple dollars in their pocket for their time and money already spent? Brittany, we know you are young, and you have many goals, but offending and chastizing breeders is not a way to endear yourself to them..there is an old saying, "Be careful of the toes you step on today, as they may very well be attached to the @ss you have to kiss tomorrow" We plan on eventually breeding our new female Tonga, as well as keeping the litter and raising them until one year, at which point we will do hips-elbows etc, and make our selections for what we want, now, after investing time, blood,sweat,tears and MEGA $$$ into these now year old dogs, should we just give away the ones we decide not to keep? I think not! Will they be $1500? Heavens NO..they will be more! they will have had foundations put on them, and hips/elbows done etc.. Please keep these words in mind when you decide to publicly demean breeders about how and why they breed and/or price their puppies, remember, your words may very well come back to haunt you in the future with your own "business". Terry

Couldn't have said it better myself Terry..:) I see a true lack of concern for most dogs mentioned here. I also see a there is a lack of direction and/or purpose to most breeding programs. I have to say I agree with Het very much also. I myself will keep what I think is the best pup, not only looking at their structure, as I breed show lines, but I want drive also. What I think is best now may not be best in 6 months. Therefore it will be sold. Someone else may feel it fits in their breeding program or as a household member. I also never sell picks persee, as we all know puppy buying has no guarantees. I am also very careful whom I sell the pups to. I will hold them as long as I have to so I ensure they are in the right home. Makes no differnce if I keep them 2 months or 6 months. We really do not just sell due to the fact that they do not have any potential. Yes, if it were the best, I would try to keep it, but in the same token, I have other dogs. Space, time and many other factors go into the decision to sell what I thought was a great pup. Has more to do than it not being the best dog. Have fun with Tonga!!! She is a great girl. All dogs have some faults, but I know you and Tammy will work with those and give her the best home there is!!! I couldn't ask for her to have a better home. You guys are the best!!!!

you know I believe that buyers that can't even afford to come up with the money to buy a 1500 pupp, willnot be able to endure the cost later on....and by this I mean ...pre-limbs which could run around 200-500 depending on where you are ...the help in training a young dog for ring work and schutzhund or AKC stuff...and this will run you into the thousands over a period of time ...OFA which is another 200-500 depending where you are. ...really good food which is around 50-90 (600-1200 a year)a month depending on the size and matabilisem(sp?) of your dog. ...all the costs of show entries, driveing to, staying at a hotel, hireing a professionl handler ect....which will run you into the thousands!! ...then when she is ready to breed all the blood tests that she needs.... ...then the high cost of a nice stud to upbreed. So just because of this I never come down on price...I don't do payment plans. did that once and the dog ran into the street and was hit by a car at 6 months and guess what holding those papers didn't really matter any longer. I feel that if you are really interested in a breeder and thier program you will begin saving your money months or years in advace to purchase your dog. YOu will have stayed in contact with this breeder and let them know you plan, and what litter would be the best for you and what you are wanting...in the meen time you will be learning about training, that means joining a club and WATCHING for 6 months or so. Being a sponge and sucking up all the information that you can. (BY THE WAY THIS WILL LET THE BREEDER KNOW YOU ARE FOR REAL AND THEY MIGHT JUST SELL YOU THE PUP THAT WOULD DO WELL IN THE SHOW RING) This is good business sence..you don't want to start out in the hole with owing people money. You want to at least start with owning your dog! Then along with the normal everyday costs of raising your dog, you will start saving for the pre-limbs...and then money to pay for trianing, and showing ect...it is very expensive to bring a bitch up as a show dog. So after I have put all my money,time,energy, and love into raising my girl right why would i let you have the pup out of her that I have just spent 24 hours a day for 8+ weeks to raise correctly, for less money?? That is a breeder that is more intersested in money...not the betterment of the breed. Expecally if you are a beginner in showing and training and haven't ever titled a dog in anything then you are a new owner with hopes and dreams and nothing else to stand on...so as a breeder I have to say why would this person actually do anything with this dog,when they haven't done anything with any dog ever and are asking me to come down on my price for a very nice pup, that most likely I am only really breaking even on the litter anyway, if you really add up costs time everything else you will see that this is really true. Heather

As for breeders keeping the pick pup back and selling it later - I do this all the time. I will keep the very best working-prospect pup - not for myself (though I wish I could keep all of the ones I consider pick pups) but to wait for the best working home to come along for them. Often, I have wonderful homes waiting for the pups when they are born - but the "pick" working pup is not the best choice for the person who wants to do AKC obedience, or is just starting in Schh, or wants a dog that is great with the kids and can go hiking on weekends. These are great homes and I love my pups to go to such homes, but the "pick" working pup often stays with me, until the right working home comes for him/her. In fact I have one right now, 4 months old and just now being considered by a serious SAR handler - just what I was hoping to find for this particular pup (and Schh sport will be missing this pup - she is super!) So moral of othe story - as a breeder I am not in a hurry to sell my pick working pups, the ones "left behind" are not usually the last picks or the ones noone wants. molly

IPO3GSD, I would like to say that I am very happy that you bought a nice looking bitch from the kennels vom Neohaus. I'm glad that you're happy with your purchases... Although you need to look it from the other way around from some of the folks who hadn't had it so nice like you and that paid thousands of dollars for their imports. I think you are misunderstanding my posts... as I do not "dislike" so many breeders. I clearly stated that MOST breeders do it for the money.. I did not say that " dog/puppy for less $$, perhaps payments, or even free?" I clearly said that I respect breeders who will make a payment deal with the potential buyer... as of CO owning? you title and get the hips/Elbows x-ray and then take a breeding from an approved male with the buyers expense and that is your payment of the dog. I do not agree with paying 2000 or more for a 8 week old puppy who may become a crap shoot as it gets older.... Almost all puppy buyers get attached to the puppy and will become heart broken after hearing that the dog has no drives for schutzhund or not fit to do conformation work. Anyhow I must get ready to go to schutzhund.... I'll continue this later on.