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by smartguy1469 on 16 April 2009 - 23:04

Is it possible for a female to not be that incredible herself but produce pups that exceed her abilities.

by mew on 17 April 2009 - 00:04

yes.

by cgageturner on 17 April 2009 - 00:04

anything is possible, and a not so great would be a matter of opinion, but why breed a dog that is not so great.
Its hard enough producing good dogs from bitches who have proven themselves to their owners and deserve to be bred.

by Princess on 17 April 2009 - 00:04

Yes, it is call a sire, who the breeder has matched up with her bloodlines. Everone forgets that traits are shown ,from owners and breeding of the dogs and their work. Take an owner who wants nothing then they will get nothing. Owners who work their dogs may get what they breed for, and maybe not. When they tell you it is a roll of the dice,they are not kidding . The bitch may have been in an envirorment that didn't demand work,but that doesnt undermind her ability or genitics.With 2 good dogs you have a good chance of a good dog, maybe not a great dog . Alot of females are breed for( I'm ashamed to say for their blood lines )not their working ability, not alot check to see if she can work. You can also take a nicely breed dog who comes out ready to work. Bitch's are great (i'm not being smart) give me one, for any reason and they most likely will step up.I dont worry when I sleep with my girl on the bed and not with my grandson or puppies even other breeds,the best breed stud may or may not come It just depends on his training and then you just dont know if he will preform (In real life).Even a trained police dog off lease may be stunned if NOT responding to a handler. So dont asume a damn that you thought enough to breed is not good enough, take some time FIRST and see .That is why I only breed dogs I have raised from pups, and know what they are made of or not. Some of the other members might cut to the chase in less words.Shelly or yellow rose help?

by joonbug on 17 April 2009 - 01:04

I can't help but wonder if breeding 'lesser' females (meaning softer, more hesitant females) has helped to create such a big difference in working preformance between males and females, even of the same litter.

by smartguy1469 on 17 April 2009 - 10:04

I will just be to the point. I know that even the best dogs can perform at a low level in the hands of a novice trainer. If you have a dog that has no temperment issues. Loves the work and is titled and hip certified but does not have the highest scores in the world. Also you raised this dog yourself and know its strengths and weakness. Assuming you have good homes for the litter would you breed the dog. If you would not what would be a factor in saying no.

by Gustav on 17 April 2009 - 11:04

"And deserve to be bred", comments like that among breeders make me cringe.....first; the result of a breeding has more to do with the compatibility of the two dogs than the deserveness of being bred. Second; dogs produce what they are made up of as much as what they are especially in the German Shepherd which is comprised of many original types with various different recessives, Third; the individual specimen that you feel may be the exception to the litter and carry all kind of negative recessives that show in the siblings and this dog will oftentimes produce far below its socalled deserveness, and I could go on but the point is that deserveness can never be identified (by me), in just the phenotype of the dog. Breeding requires knowledge of many aspects BESIDES the desrveness of the individual dog and sometimes make the apparent great candidate a poor choice for a selective partner thus producing well below their desrveness. And guess what???many lesser dogs that I guess shouldn't be bred based on this thinking compliment another dog to produce consistently better than they are. That's why many great producing females are "G" bitches are great producers in the past.

by neohaus on 18 April 2009 - 12:04

Of course it is!! Thats what we try to achieve. I have been taught by many Germans that if we get better than the dog(s) we bred, then we achieved our goal!!! We are trying to improve what we have...well some of us are.

by smartguy1469 on 19 April 2009 - 23:04

I guess my real question should have been when is it worth the risk?

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