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MVF

by MVF on 12 April 2009 - 21:04

I competed in AKC obedience for years, and although I have done SchH training, I have not competed.  (Long story.)  What I realize now, with my 22 month old pup, is that AKC jumps are so low as to be incidental, but a meter board is a very different matter.  My pup definitely does not think a meter jump is a cinch and I have been trying to get him in shape for it.  (I am sympathetic as the high hurdles -- 42" -- were one of my personal nightmares in the decathlon.) 

So here are my questions:

1) how much physical training do you do to move your dogs up from say two foot jumps to a meter board?

2) what sort of training do you do?

He is an enthusiastic jumper and tries high fallen trees in the woods where we run and I hurdle/climb, so it is not about motivation, although it may well be about technique -- so if you know tricks for teaching a dog to jump HIGH I am all ears.

In the past, my dogs swam miles with me in lakes in the summer and built up their chests and fronts but this sweet boy is a bit skittish about swimming in deep water and I am not the swimmer I once was (and it's still cold up here!) so I need non-swimming conditioning ideas.  He's a big, long bodied boy, but no moreso than big males I have had in the past who jumped AKC heights easily.

If your answer is that you do nothing special and that 22m gsd's easily clear meter boards without training, then I have to face the possibility that my lad is not a good jumper or has something physically wrong with him.  He will obviously be getting his hips xrayed soon for OFA.

Please don't tell me to get a mal -- I KNOW they jump like rabbits, are great at OB, are high drive, etc.  I'm too old and loyal to switch now.

If he can't handle meter jumps I will just stick with AKC titles where I think he will be competitive going over 26" jumps.

Thanks in advance.




 


VonIsengard

by VonIsengard on 12 April 2009 - 21:04

Don't rush it. Like a human athlete, your dog needs time and conditioning. Just a few repetitions a day, and you should only raise the jumps by a few inches maybe once or twice a week, or longer if it takes your dog more time to clear a specific height without hitting it. It's ok not having a bunny rabbit. It will just take more time and patience. Two feet to a meter is WAY too big of a leap.

MVF

by MVF on 12 April 2009 - 22:04

Thanks.  Have you had dogs jumping two feet at 22 months who later cleared 3 meters comfortably?

I have no intention of rushing him.  What I want to do is avoid pushing him at all if he is actually not up it and never will be.

Slamdunc

by Slamdunc on 12 April 2009 - 23:04

Get an adjustable jump and slowly raise the height.  The 1 meter jump is really not high for a 2 year old GSD, A healthy dog should be able to clear this jump rather easily.  At 22 months or practically 2 years he is no longer a pup and hasn't been one for a long time.  Teach him to jump lower obstacles and teach him a "hup" command.  Praise him enthusiastically and reward with a toy.  Go to a school and teach him to jump the bike racks, benches, etc.  He will soon learn that you enjoy it when he jumps obstacles and will offer the behavior on his own.    Then teach him to jump the one meter wall with a toy and praise as a reward before adding in the dumbell. 

If you are considering doing schutzhund, remember there is no sleeping on the long down. 

FWIW,

Jim


MVF

by MVF on 12 April 2009 - 23:04

Thanks.  I have done pretty much most of this,  He may not be a natural jumper.

No sleeping on the long down...too bad, I'm good at teaching that one.

VonIsengard

by VonIsengard on 12 April 2009 - 23:04

Do you have your own AKC jumps? You can drill extra holes in a PVC one or make extra slats for a wood one to make it a meter jump. Make sure you dont raise it by large amounts in one session. I like to raise it up 2 inches at the most, less if you can. Increments so small the dog barely notices them, until one day the dog can clear it and never saw it coming.

I always had my own dogs going higher at that age, but that doesn't mean anything.  22 months is still young, especially for slow maturing dogs.

Mystere

by Mystere on 13 April 2009 - 00:04

I agree with Jim. Also, you might make use of a cantilever (sp?) to teach proper jumping technique. By this, I mean the same way horses are taught proper technique. If you know any equestrians, or better, there are equestriennes in your schutzhund club, seek their advice on this. I have found that the women in schutzhund who came out of the horse world practically hold the patent on teaching proper jumping technique...even with mals. :-) Good Luck!

by realcold on 13 April 2009 - 00:04

First rule of order is the dog must do a retrieve on the flat in drive. Do no jumping and retrieves if you do not have this. If you try to push the jumps before you have the enthusiastic flat exercise finished everything will go south quick. If the flat work is finished you go to the jump at a low level with the dumbbell and only reward if no touching occurs. I us the word NO as a marker when they touch so they know no reward is coming. With this you slowly raise the height as they are comfortable until you are at 41'. Keep the jump here for ever. You will develop muscle memory in your high performance dog and on trial day people will be wowed with the clear air. Go slow to go fast.http://www.thunderbayschutzhundclub.com/gallery/Sept-8th-2007-Trial/IMG_2142

by realcold on 13 April 2009 - 01:04

All dogs should sleep on the long down as it saves energy for really quick retrieves.

MVF

by MVF on 13 April 2009 - 16:04

Thanks, all.  Realcold -- I realize you're right with respect to competition, but I am still trying to assess whether he is structurally up to the meter board in the long term.  It is true that in my AKC open class we have been jumping and retrieving before he is perfect on the flat -- I will pull him from those exercises until the flat is faster.  The question for me remains that I am wondering if others have experienced this with perfectly sound dogs or should I wait until he OFAs before pushing on.





 


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