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Mystere

by Mystere on 04 April 2009 - 17:04

I started a thread for buyers and things for them to beware of during a puppy search. The thread went very well. In order to keep it on track, I have also begun this thread for breeders and sellers to put their red flags out about potential buyers to avoid. As we all know, ethical and concerned breeders try to make the best placements for their puppies and try to avoid buyers from whom they may need to rescue the puppy. So, what are your RED FLAGS? I do not breed, but here are some of the things that would lead me to terminate any exploratory calls: 1. Potential buyer has a litany of dogs injured or killed in traffic accidents. 2. Potential buyer insists on a particular color and/or markings. 3. Potential buyer cannot provide references of any kind. 4. Potential buyer indicates a history of mental or emotional disorders. 5. Potential buyer indicates that he/she really needs a "tough" dog. 6. Potential buyer is a first-time dog owner and indicates an intention to start breeding as soon as possible. 7. Potential buyer is a pet-owner who asks whether your lines carry non-standard colors ,because he/she wants specifically to breed specific non-standard colors. 8. Potential buyer is marginally or unemployed. 9.Potential buyer does not have a fenced yard and intends to chain dog out during the day. 10. Potential buyer wants a puppy to be used soley as a guard dog. Please add others. 8.

ShelleyR

by ShelleyR on 04 April 2009 - 17:04

  • Potential buyer wants a dog to protect her from an abusive spouse, still in the relationship. 
  • Potential buyer has too many dogs at home already, none trained.
  • Puppy being purchased for the young children to "teach them responsibility."
  • Brokers...  Plan to resell the dog.  :-(
  • Any member of the household not thrilled about having a dog.

by Kandi on 04 April 2009 - 17:04

* History of rehoming/washing out dogs.
* "dog for the kids"
* house full of young kids all heavily involved in activities and two parents that work full time
* another young unaltered GSD of the opposite sex in the home
* first and only question, without any introduction is "how much?"
*visit here shows very poorly behaved kids with no idea how to behave around dogs
*strong anxious nervous personality of potential puppy buyer
* lack a stable life
 



kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 04 April 2009 - 17:04

Mystere,
     Sorry I jumped into your  post. I just feel that "both ends of the spectrum" should be adressed.
It is much easier for a buyer to research a kennel, than it is for the kennel(breeder) to research the buyer. People are very good at hiding their true colors. Often, it is too late for the dog when you realize you made a BIG MISTAKE!!!!

     I,myself, "will not SHIP a dog(pup). I WILL NOT send a pup off where I HAVE NOT SPOKEN one on one with the buyer. YOU MUST COME TO MY HOUSE, meet me, AND my dogs, before you will get a pup from me.(Dogs are a greater judge of character, than most people).

     If you tell me your vet says, "Can you "NOT" give the puppy shot, so my vet has an accurate record of shots, worming,etc., I will send you packing.
     I DO and WILL offer return to me for Booster shots, worming, WHATEVER your dog (pup) needs to stay healthy. 

                                     I WILL TAKE BACK ANY OF MY DOG's(pups). Regardless of the age or issue...

I don't feel you can begrudge a buyer, due to the fact they want a "specific look or color". If they put a deposit on a pup not yet on the ground, that is "their" problem. It is whatis.

     But me myself, would not EVER consider taking a deposit for a pup , that is unborn, or prior to being 3 -4 weeks Why invite a gripe before it is necessary.

     WAIT TIL YOU HAVE THEM, before taking deposit.

     

Mystere

by Mystere on 04 April 2009 - 17:04

Great! Kandi, I particularly like the first item. I think we all know of folks who "always" havew a great puppy...that disappears and there is another great puppy in its place. I know and know of people who have done this, a whole series of puppies, for years. They never, ever so much as put a B on their next "competition" dog, because he (and it is usually a guy) doesn't ever keep one that long. What do you actually say when you turn them down, Kandi?

Kaffirdog

by Kaffirdog on 04 April 2009 - 17:04

After a couple of bad experiences, I am very wary of young, lovey dovey couples who keep making eye contact and cuddling each other while choosing a pup.  One such couple split up within a month of taking a pup and another literally bought the pup on a Monday and the girl brought her back on the Wednesday because the guy had left her for another woman.  I suppose it is a variation of having a baby to keep the relationship together. 

Margaret N-J


by maxandruby on 04 April 2009 - 17:04

Have a question to breeders.
Is it "hard" not to be impressed/influenced by the wealthy buyers vs. a working class buyer to whom you make a sale?




by eichenluft on 04 April 2009 - 18:04

Getting the new pup to keep their current dog company.  That's one of many.  Breeders unfortunately often have to learn "the hard way" because the people they sell pups to sound perfect initially - then they sometimes turn out to be real nightmares in the end.  I wish breeders would keep in better touch with each other and form a "do not sell to" list to share with other breeders.

molly

Dawn G. Bonome

by Dawn G. Bonome on 04 April 2009 - 18:04

GREAT TOPIC!!

I DO NOT breed, but........have owned a German Shepherds for 24 years. Breeders brag about the black and red on the German Shepherd in their advertisements, the color does not make the pup, or the pup more valueable. HEALTH AND TEMPERAMENT should be first and formost! Does the breeder check on the health of the Stud/Bitch that will be coming their way BEFORE the breeding is done? If there are heath issues but there is a breeding done anyway, are there breeders that are honest with other breeders? OR....does the problem go on? Joe Shmoe does not know about titles the parents have. All they see in an ad is Black/Red  pups with titled parents from Germany, so they think...hey these pups must be SUPERPUPS, must know everything because they are German Shepherds, so they think," I can make money by breeding to the German Shepherd down the street."

I ask the breeder if they want references on me, to call my Vet to ask about me, how my dogs' in the past were taken care of, and to ask questions about me.

Dawn





 


by Kandi on 04 April 2009 - 18:04

What do I say to someone who has a history of rehoming dogs? I am straight up, and tell them that is exactly why and have. I am simply not comfortable selling a puppy to someone who washes out puppies on a frequent basis. If they respect that, good! It is nothing "personal". If they want to hate me for it, that is fine too. 

It is not so much the fate of the dog I am worried about. Yes I always prefer the pup comes back to me, and I know a couple "frequent rehomers" who do indeed pass their puppies off to good situations. Yes, I do want control over where the pup ends up, which is why I prefer them to be sent back to me. But, more than that, a puppy brings with it a whole bunch of unknowns. Sometimes..no, OFTEN, you have to adapt to the pups way of thinking, strengths, quirks, drives, to get the training results you want from them. Sometimes they mature slower than we'd like, and you simply cannot rush them. It is crazy to think an 8 week old pup is going to adapt to your 2 yr "game plan".  It is the puppy owner who must adapt. If you cannot do this, and find yourself washing out puppy after puppy after puppy after puppy, maybe you should not be starting with a puppy to begin with.

I too wish there was a "do not sell to" list for breeders...

In regards to wealthy vs working class buyers: I would rather sell a pup at discount and know the pup will be loved and have a very good life versus wearing a fancy Coach collar and growing up to be a menace and/or ignored. So no, the size of the wallet does not matter. I have stopped visits mid stream and announced "ok, you can leave now". I am never in a rush to sell my pups and have been known to keep at least one back for a long time simply because I love having them around and they will stay until the right home is found.






 


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