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by macawpower58 on 31 March 2009 - 16:03
I have a bi-color pup, and out of curiosity, would like to know your experiences with their color change when they are adults.
She has dusky/muddy tannish grey foot color. Will her color lighten to tan? Will it darken to a deeper brown? Or stay the same?
I know most red/black dogs lose much of thier black as they mature. I've heard that bi's may do the opposit. Have you found the bi color pups lighten, or darken as they grow?
I'm going to try for a photo.
She has dusky/muddy tannish grey foot color. Will her color lighten to tan? Will it darken to a deeper brown? Or stay the same?
I know most red/black dogs lose much of thier black as they mature. I've heard that bi's may do the opposit. Have you found the bi color pups lighten, or darken as they grow?
I'm going to try for a photo.
by mahon on 31 March 2009 - 16:03
Put a pic up and let us see. Hard for one to discribe what one looks like and others to imagine.
mahon
by Mystere on 31 March 2009 - 16:03
She's cute as hell!! It is hard to say with puppies, because they like to fool ya! But, I would say she is going to stay bi-color, it looks like she has pencilling on her toes, but that could be my bad eyes and not the clearest photo at work. What lines is she? If show lines, yes, she could turn into a saddle-marked black and tan/red. But, then, she probably would not have the pencilling in the toes.
by macawpower58 on 31 March 2009 - 17:03
Thanks and she's working line. I'm pretty sure she'll stay a bi. I'm mainly wondering what color her legs will be at maturity. I've seen some some with legs so dark they almost blend into the black, and others that are a bright tan.
I'm asking about her brown markings. Will they lighten, or darken?
I also thinks she's cute as can be, and am very, very pleased with her so far (the whole 3 days worth!)
I'm asking about her brown markings. Will they lighten, or darken?
I also thinks she's cute as can be, and am very, very pleased with her so far (the whole 3 days worth!)
by kioanes on 31 March 2009 - 17:03
i have a young girl with very similar coloring, though i think she will end up a melanistic black & red(or tan ). she seems to be losing her tar heels...
by viperk9 on 31 March 2009 - 19:03
Very cute puppy. But, I do not think that this pup is a bi-color at all. To my knowledge a bi-color cannot have any tan anywhere other than their legs and the pup shown has tan on its cheeks and above its eyes. This pup is a blk/tan. My dog had very similar markings as a pup, no tan other a few tan hairs on his cheeks and as he aged the tan filled in and spred, this is what his coloring looked like at 15 months, http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/508855.html. I believe that this pup will go through similar changes and that it will end up having much more tan than it does now. I am by no means an expert on genetics or colors but I believe my inforation here is correct. Regardless, very cute puppy.
by macawpower58 on 31 March 2009 - 20:03
Hopefully someone with genetic knowledge will know for sure. I have read more than once, that bi's are allowed to have eyebrows, cheek, and chest markings. Only that the belly, and inside of the legs have to remain black. I'm going on what I've read, that others have written, so my knowledge is iffy.
by justcurious on 31 March 2009 - 21:03
macawpower58 i posted picts to your other thread. i think your pup is a b&t i believe specifically a melanistic b&t, which is believe my pup is as well. i know virtually nothing about genetics but this topic has been discussed a number of time, just run a search for bi-color.
by macawpower58 on 31 March 2009 - 21:03
Thanks justcurious, I did see your photos in my other thread.
You may be right.
I only asked my question out of curiosity. What she is, is really unimportant to me, I love her just as she is.
You may be right.
I only asked my question out of curiosity. What she is, is really unimportant to me, I love her just as she is.
by justcurious on 31 March 2009 - 22:03
i was very curious about my pup's color as well so i ran a couple of searches here and spoke with the breeder when we pick our pup up a few weeks ago and it seem melanistic black & tan is what our pup is.
what's your pup's pedigree? it can help you make a better quess.
for instants with my pup jeppah - like i said his dam iska is black, so he has a black gene from her, but he also gets a gene from his sire, balco. balco is sable and since my pup jeppah is neither black nor sable means his sire carries a recessive gene that is giving my pup his color.
so looking back one more generation on the sire's side - my pup's sire's sire, melano, is a sable and his sire's dam, aylin, is black and tan. so i believe - if i'm understanding it correctly - this is where jeppah get the b&t gene which is dominate over black making him a melanistic b&t (i'm making a bit of a leap here with the melanistic trait but i think this is correct).
so if i'm on the right track here from what i've been reading my dog's sire is most likely a sable/b&t or aw+as; and his dam is a black/black or a+a (the only way a dog can be all black) so my pup gets a black gene from his dam and a b&t from his sire so jeppah is a as+a - i think
puppy coats change so much that it makes it very hard to tell for sure so if you have your pup's ped. you can make a better guess.
hth,
susan
ps here's a link to a chart that i found very helpful http://www.ehretgsd.com/genetics.htm the color chart is about 1/2 way down
what's your pup's pedigree? it can help you make a better quess.
for instants with my pup jeppah - like i said his dam iska is black, so he has a black gene from her, but he also gets a gene from his sire, balco. balco is sable and since my pup jeppah is neither black nor sable means his sire carries a recessive gene that is giving my pup his color.
so looking back one more generation on the sire's side - my pup's sire's sire, melano, is a sable and his sire's dam, aylin, is black and tan. so i believe - if i'm understanding it correctly - this is where jeppah get the b&t gene which is dominate over black making him a melanistic b&t (i'm making a bit of a leap here with the melanistic trait but i think this is correct).
so if i'm on the right track here from what i've been reading my dog's sire is most likely a sable/b&t or aw+as; and his dam is a black/black or a+a (the only way a dog can be all black) so my pup gets a black gene from his dam and a b&t from his sire so jeppah is a as+a - i think
puppy coats change so much that it makes it very hard to tell for sure so if you have your pup's ped. you can make a better guess.
hth,
susan
ps here's a link to a chart that i found very helpful http://www.ehretgsd.com/genetics.htm the color chart is about 1/2 way down
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