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by kmaot on 30 March 2009 - 11:03

Hello.  This is regarding a 3 year old bitch that seems to cycle every 7 or 8 mos or so.

Her last heat cycle was a seemingly normal one where bleeding lasted 9 days.

It is 8 mos now since the last heat and she has been showing changes that tell me se is entering heat. 

My neutered male started to sniff 4 days ago (he almost never sniffs her)  2 days ago I noticed a "tacky" substance around her vulva - dark.  Her vulva is larger slightlyand more prominant (darker) but not huge.  I put a pad on her and saw that over the weekend there was a small smattering of seemingly dark (ie brown/tan) markings what I thought was indicative of dried blood.

However, the pad overnight is dry.  I see no bright red blood.

We are trying to breed this female for the first time and I am not sure how to interpret the symptoms.

Can anyone shed some light?  I do not want to miss the cycle and will end up getting a progesterone test but in the interim...please help.

JLB82

by JLB82 on 30 March 2009 - 13:03

She sounds like she is in heat, sometimes the dogs keep there selves really clean and you will barely notice any blood, the darkness almost brown or black is old blood it will become more bright red, and then start turning pink, thats when you know its time to breed, breed her on the 9, 11, and 13th day, and then keep them seperated all other days of the heat cycle. if you put them together sooner the male will probley agrivate her and when the time is right, she wont breed with him. also you should only breed those three days, to keep from having an over sized litter, that a first mom would have a hard time caring for, and keep them seperated for a week after the 13th day, some dogs can ovulate for a longer period of time and you'll end up with some runts that will die, because they didnt get enough time in the womb.


ShelleyR

by ShelleyR on 30 March 2009 - 17:03

There are some great books on the subject.
Too bad dogs can't read.

A good, experienced stud dog will know when the female is ready.
SS


wuzzup

by wuzzup on 30 March 2009 - 17:03

JLB82 Can you please list where you got the info on " some dogs can ovulate for a longer time and you'll end up with some runts that will die ,because they did not get enough time in the womb".

wuzzup

by wuzzup on 30 March 2009 - 18:03

OK I just got off the phone with my vet ,the "runt" theory is a far stretch from reality in her opinion .She says all eggs would be fertilized in a short period of time ,, two days would be a most likely the time limit . Runts are just that runts . Every one probable know someones dog who delivered pups at least 4 days early with no ill effects on the puppy's . Now if some one has a reference to disprove this please let me know  . My vet is old but not dumb .She is not a reproduction specialist how ever . 

katjo74

by katjo74 on 30 March 2009 - 21:03

There is some belief that if a bitch is bred over 6-8+ day period of time, then there is some small possibility that most of the eggs would get fertilized on a certain day or two, but maybe 1-2 not until like the last breeding, for whatever reason, which would put a couple of pups being almost a week behind the rest of the litter and would be born smaller, weaker, etc because they are younger.

I am not certain of this theory myself. Usually my litters are pretty uniform-we only occassionally see "runts" as they are called, but often times runts grow within a few lbs of their normal siblings upon maturity and have no health issues. That might be why some people feel they're pups 'younger' than the rest of the litter-because they grow up to be nice, normal, etc as long as they're not too weak/small to survive. 

Unless the smaller pup had underlying health issues causing the smaller size, I wouldn't be overly concerned with such being bought/chosen as a good companion. I would not advise chosing a runt-pup for serious future plans in competition or breeding just because you are not 100% certain there's no underlying medical issues, no matter how small they might be (the medical issues), possibly affecting the overall growth of that pup.


by kmaot on 30 March 2009 - 22:03

Interesting guys. thanks for posting some of your thoughts. 

Can I ask...I have never noticed a "brownish" blood (so slight flow barely noticeable) before the red flow begins.  Is that what you often find?  

by oso on 30 March 2009 - 23:03

Yes, very often. The male is the first to notice usually!

by kmaot on 31 March 2009 - 18:03

Well no blood at all for 2 days now.  Progesterone levels at only 0.9.  Vulva still only somwhat enlarged.  Don't know whther to do another progesterone test in a few days or not.  Really, she barely bled at all.  I am now wondering if it is a split heat and whether to wait for a regular blood flow :(

by oso on 01 April 2009 - 21:04

Probably a split heat, I have a female who always does this - wait about 3 weeks....has the male stopped sniffing?





 


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