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RLHAR

by RLHAR on 28 March 2009 - 17:03

I was reading the 'to kennel or not' post and it got me thinking about a situation I run in to in my own working GSD day to day life.  However as my experience doesn't really tie back to the original thread, I figured I'd better go off on my own because this is something different.

As most of you know, I have a 2 year old Czech workingline GSD female who I am doing Schutzhund with.  She lives with myself, our West German working line male, my husband and our 4 year old son.  I don't kennel her but I do have a 1/3 acre fenced in yard that is her domain and she is crated durning the day when we are all gone from the house.  She is only allowed in the house on special ocassions and then only for a couple of hours.  While she is house trained, she is no means a 'house-dog'.

When reading the USA magazine article that someone mentioned in the other thread, my own heart sank a little because the majority of contributors seemed to come down on the kennel side of the discussion.  NOT THAT I ASPIRE TO HIGH LEVEL COMPETITION with my bitch and many of these people are much higher level than I ever expect to be.  She is my first dog and I'm just having a good time learning the ropes with her but I did read one point that stuck with me and which I have personally experienced with her.

The challenge of having to issue corrections for proper 'house' behavior vs what you want in the field. 

For me, in particular, jumping up.

When my in-laws come over, my mother in law in particular expects a dog to be seen but not heard.  My sister in law's kids are used to fairly small dogs who don't jump and even my parents expect a dog not to jump up.  Thus, there were 6 people in my girl's life (7 until I smacked my husband upside his head) who corrected her, yelled and ran from her or otherwise gave her a negative response to her jumping up.  (She really got anxious when my nephew busted out in hysterical tears after she bounced by him one time.)

This isn't very fair to her (especially when she was much younger) for me to be inviting her to come in to me to jump up and play with the tug or whatever but then other people who came around her, yelled at her for the same behavior.

Talk about confusing a dog.

So I realized I had to seperate her from the negative influences and this means, she's kept out in the yard or crated when these people are around.

I think that it is a very careful balance we're asking for, to give a Sch dog (I have no experience in SAR, ring sports, herding to know the commands and speak for them, so I'll say Sch) one set of rules for house/interacting with 'non-Sch' people but then expect a different set of rules out on the field.  People say 'my dog knows the difference' to which I have to wonder, are you sure?  Are you sure you're dog knows the difference without experiencing conflict within themselves and believe me, that conflict can be really subtle.

I believe my girl to be very clear headed with an amazing on-off switch but in this instance I can safely say that she did experience conflict and only after 18 months of working with her and reinforcing that I do want her to challenge me, is she now regaining the confidence to really bring the game back to me and jump up.  So in at least one instance I can see what those people in the magazine were talking about in their discussion over keeping a sport dog 'kenneled' vs 'house-dog'.

Clarity of expectation.

(PS - Before people get on me about it's my house/my rules, it's also my husband's house and my son's house and they like to see these people so you work with what you've got. )

by RONNIERUNCO on 28 March 2009 - 18:03

I GUESS I NEVER REALIZED HOW LUCKY I AM. MY LIVE IN GIRLFRIENDS MOTHER BUNNY JUST LOVES MY DINKY. BUNNY IS ONLY 4FT 4IN TALL YET LOVES IT WHEN DINKY PLAYS ROUGH WITH HER. IN FACT IF BUNNY CANT FIND A BF FOR THE NIGHT SHE LIKES TO HAVE DINKY SLEEP WITH HER. I REALLY AM A LUCKY GUY.

RLHAR

by RLHAR on 28 March 2009 - 18:03

You and Dinky are the exception to the rule, Ronnie!  My mother in law fuses if a dog hair jumps on her from the floor.

missbeeb

by missbeeb on 28 March 2009 - 18:03

When my in-laws come over, my mother in law in particular expects a dog to be seen but not heard. 


LOL, LOL... that's what I expected FROM the inlaws!

Could that be why I'm single now?

RLHAR

by RLHAR on 28 March 2009 - 18:03

To be fair, my father in law loves to play with her and our male and he'll play rough tugs and everything but my mother in law, nope.  She likes her dogs like she likes her grandkids.  Barely seen (unless they look impeccable) and definitely not heard!

luvdemdogs

by luvdemdogs on 28 March 2009 - 18:03

RLHR,

You're right - ya can't expect to train a dog to jump up, and then scold them for doing it.  It wouldn't be fair. 

Rezkat5

by Rezkat5 on 28 March 2009 - 18:03

Yea family and the schutzhund dogs can be tough!  Mine all live in the house and are crated at various times.

My favorite was when my brother came through the door and my Lexie was all over him intially.   And he asked me I thought you "trained" your dogs?  I graciously told him, yes, but I don't care if they jump.     It's not like she's a complete idiot about it either, like some other breeds.  Just is happy to see ya!  I do a bit of having the dogs not "around" a whole lot when company is over.  Usually just one at a time they can handle.  And it's usually my older girl.  It's not like they are these holy terrors either!  So mine have a bit of "house manners" but nothing crazy.  

Kathy

by Bob McKown on 28 March 2009 - 18:03

RLHAR:

                         It really depends on the relationship you have with your dogs, I love my dogs, I put up with my inlaws and family...Just the way it works for me My sister at holidays always pops off with "i,m glad we won out over the dogs for the holiday" my only answer is your just lucky we don,t train with club members on holidays.

My dogs have 2 sets of commands those at home and field commands and they know the difference, at home it,s useually the commands are come witch means get over here by me, not a posistion but just close to me if there bothering something or nosein something i don,t want them around it it,s "leave it" that type of thing but if i use field commands at home they had better react accordingly and they do.

My dogs all rotate in and out of the house 2 nites in the house, 2 nites in the indoor out door kennels,20 nites in the indoor kennels so everyone gets house time they do know the differerence and how to act accordingly.  


K9 Dreamz

by K9 Dreamz on 28 March 2009 - 18:03

I think keeping your dog crated or outdoor fenced while company is around, is more fair than to allow them to negativly punish her for things that you otherwise allow.  You are sending her completely different signals and its not fair to either of you.  If someone was to correct her inappropriately and cause her to hesitate next time, it could cause you point loss or DQ in your ventures in training and titling.  You have it right by keeping her in the family loop of your son and hubby, but other than that she should be crated.  I as well have a dog, that is not allowed around company unless it is kids.  She loves kids and is very gentle with them, and doesn't treat them as toys but great belly scratchers, but adults she sees them as play toys and doesn't know how to differentiate my training and play with other adults and has gotten negative comments before.  I just keep her crated when other compnay arrives and feel that is most fair to her and the non-dog people who occasionally visit us, which is few and far in between thank goodness.

Housetrained and a house dog are two seperate things by far.  All of my dogs are crated in the house when we leave,except one service dog, but she is rarely left home and if she is, its for maybe an hour at most.  I have never left the others loose in the house when we are gone,as they know not to mess in the house, but couch cushions and etc look like fun things to play tug o war with and have had to replace a lot of things, so its much easier to just crate them, for my furniture to be in one peice but also for their safety, they could get into something or swallow something that may harm them.


Rezkat5

by Rezkat5 on 28 March 2009 - 18:03

Bob,

    I use different commands at home too.....And have to remind the hubby to do so too.    :)  

Although I had to laugh the one day Ike was barking from behind the fence, my mom yelled out to Ike, knock it off, platz!   And he did!  I laughed, because he usually doesn't listen to anyone like that but me. 





 


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