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by blair built gsd on 28 March 2009 - 02:03
What does everyone think about kenneling your working dogs. I worked for a well known trainer in my state for a number of years. His working dogs stayed in their run untill it was time to work them then when they were done he put them back. They never got any time to do what they wanted. I asked why he never gave them time to go out and play or just spend time bonding without formal training or working. He said that in his opinon that was the best way to get a 100% out of them. If they were use to only working when they got out that the dog thought that the work was the most fun it could have. I understand some of the logic behind the reason. But i have seen plenty of great working dogs that spent the majority of their time in the house on the sofa. So what do you guys think and are the top working dogs you know kenneled or do they live in the house.
by Two Moons on 28 March 2009 - 04:03
Your trainer pisses me off.
I'd like to have 100% out of him.
To me this is abuse and offensive to my senses.
Its wrong and its a sin.
If you listened to your heart you'd know hes wrong.
I'd like to have 100% out of him.
To me this is abuse and offensive to my senses.
Its wrong and its a sin.
If you listened to your heart you'd know hes wrong.
by luvdemdogs on 28 March 2009 - 04:03
I agree. 110%.
by Kelly M Shaw on 28 March 2009 - 12:03
I agree as well. Dog's need to socialize with their own kind and have some fun. What would we be like if we were not allowed to have fun every now and then!!!
Kel
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Kel
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by steve1 on 28 March 2009 - 13:03
Well i have heard it all now, You guys certainly think that Dogs are human the way you talk is ridiculous to say the least, I have conme to the conclusion that some of you think that if a Dog lives outside in kennels is abused and not thought of as much as your own dogs who live in the house,
When i read on this forum the amount of problems some of you get with your dogs, it makes me wonder just who is abusing there dogs, skin problems itching etc All mostly done because the dogs are living in the central heating of a house, Doors closed at night to stop draughts and it is the humans who cannot stand the cold or fresh air not the dogs
How many of you have turned down the central heating in the winter when your dogs are in the house very few i bet, Stop talking rubbish
As i have said before i have kept dogs outside to live for over 57 years, NO illness in any No Itching, No skin problems the only time i had a dog with a slight problem was when i moved to Belgium in the winter of 2004 the collie had to live indoors whist i built his kennel and run, in no more than a week of living in the house his coat lost its shine and started to go flaky, I turned off the central heating the second week to help him
Within less than two weeks of going back to out doors living again his coat came back to normal proof its self
Other than that never a problem with dogs living outdoors the youngest one to die of natural causes was over 14 years old and others going on to over 16 years old
You guys talk a good talk but half of you only think what is best because you know nothing else and you only look on dogs as if they are the same as us, That in its self is cruelty, Dogs are not Homo Sapiens no matter what you think and there needs are not rthe same as ours, the sooner some of you people come to terms with that fact the better off the dogs on the whole will be, and please do not give me any clap trap otherwise,
Steve
When i read on this forum the amount of problems some of you get with your dogs, it makes me wonder just who is abusing there dogs, skin problems itching etc All mostly done because the dogs are living in the central heating of a house, Doors closed at night to stop draughts and it is the humans who cannot stand the cold or fresh air not the dogs
How many of you have turned down the central heating in the winter when your dogs are in the house very few i bet, Stop talking rubbish
As i have said before i have kept dogs outside to live for over 57 years, NO illness in any No Itching, No skin problems the only time i had a dog with a slight problem was when i moved to Belgium in the winter of 2004 the collie had to live indoors whist i built his kennel and run, in no more than a week of living in the house his coat lost its shine and started to go flaky, I turned off the central heating the second week to help him
Within less than two weeks of going back to out doors living again his coat came back to normal proof its self
Other than that never a problem with dogs living outdoors the youngest one to die of natural causes was over 14 years old and others going on to over 16 years old
You guys talk a good talk but half of you only think what is best because you know nothing else and you only look on dogs as if they are the same as us, That in its self is cruelty, Dogs are not Homo Sapiens no matter what you think and there needs are not rthe same as ours, the sooner some of you people come to terms with that fact the better off the dogs on the whole will be, and please do not give me any clap trap otherwise,
Steve
by sueincc on 28 March 2009 - 13:03
My dogs do not play with other dogs or other people, they play with me during training time. My dogs spend time in the kennel and time in the house. When I am working on some things my dog spends MUCH more time in the kennel and sometimes no time in the house. Then my dog very much appreciates the time we spend together training.
I know a lot of people who kennel 100% of the time. It is NOT cruel to kennel a dog. Having a dog inside is more for us than it is for the dogs.
by Kelly M Shaw on 28 March 2009 - 13:03
Actually yes I am one that does turn down my heat in the winter time if I have dog's in my home that need adjusting from outside to in. All my dog's but 2 do live outside, and during training time I do not let them play with other dog's, BUT not during training time I let my pack run and have fun together, and I as well play ball, Frisbee, etc with them. I personally don't see anything wrong with how I do it. When it's time to work they work and are very focused at it. They can tell the difference between work and play, at least mine can.
Kel
Kel
by sueincc on 28 March 2009 - 13:03
Kelly I don't see anything wrong with how you do it either. What I see as "wrong" and what I take issue with are people who think kenneling a dog 100% of the time is somehow inherently and automatically cruel or wrong. People who think that are misguided. A dog does not require house time to be happy.
by GeisthausGSD on 28 March 2009 - 13:03
I agree with Steve 100% on this subject. They are dogs not humans!!!!!!
There is a word for this: Anthropomorphism is the attribution of uniquely human characteristics to non-human creatures and beings. I tell my clients all the time about this word.
There is a word for this: Anthropomorphism is the attribution of uniquely human characteristics to non-human creatures and beings. I tell my clients all the time about this word.
by steve1 on 28 March 2009 - 15:03
All i can say is this, If kennelling a dog is cruel, then most Dog owners of the German Shepherd breed over here in Belgium are cruel, and according to some of you over in the USA should not keep dogs,
Why, because we treat them as Dogs and not a human, But because we treat them as dogs it does not mean that we think any less of them than you folk do
In fact my opinion is we think more of them than some of you people do, Why because we let them live a life outside the human enviorment, I think some of you have misguided ideas as to what a dog really needs to have a healthy happy life, My dog , i only have one at this time, is a happy dog, he does not come into the house at all, but he is none the worse for that, when the Pup comes she too will not come into the house,
Her kennel and run is good enough for me to live in let alone tthe Pup, But she will have time to socalise and get plenty of excersise,
My one dog gets twice a day walks and a run and three times a week at the training club plus tracking three times a week, rain snow or whatever the weather we go and twice a week in the evenings and training outside when the temp is very low in the winter, is not good for us humans but we do it all through tne winter, it is not a fair weather sport for us over here, and that is quite enough for any dog, He goes without nothing in that respect but he lives outside and that will always be so 24/7
I never let my dogs play with other dogs in a dog park, i never take them there to do so i do not believe in it and that is it,
Steve
Why, because we treat them as Dogs and not a human, But because we treat them as dogs it does not mean that we think any less of them than you folk do
In fact my opinion is we think more of them than some of you people do, Why because we let them live a life outside the human enviorment, I think some of you have misguided ideas as to what a dog really needs to have a healthy happy life, My dog , i only have one at this time, is a happy dog, he does not come into the house at all, but he is none the worse for that, when the Pup comes she too will not come into the house,
Her kennel and run is good enough for me to live in let alone tthe Pup, But she will have time to socalise and get plenty of excersise,
My one dog gets twice a day walks and a run and three times a week at the training club plus tracking three times a week, rain snow or whatever the weather we go and twice a week in the evenings and training outside when the temp is very low in the winter, is not good for us humans but we do it all through tne winter, it is not a fair weather sport for us over here, and that is quite enough for any dog, He goes without nothing in that respect but he lives outside and that will always be so 24/7
I never let my dogs play with other dogs in a dog park, i never take them there to do so i do not believe in it and that is it,
Steve
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