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by happyday on 25 March 2009 - 20:03

There was a couple of threads about herding that caught my interest.  I have never exposed my female to herding  ..Heck - I don't know anybody that owns sheep - but I was just curious - Mystere had mentioned that certain lines where better at herding -even mentioned she had a Fero line - I believe - that probably would just  kill the sheep if exposed to sheep.

It sounds  very interesting to me.... I would be interested to know  what you do to get started with a young dog of 13 months in herding.  And how would I evaluate my girl to know if she would be cut out for herding...  I really dont like muttin.. nor do I wish her to kill anything - Nor do I wish to see a ram kill my dog...Not sure what to expect....  I do also have a male puppy -11 wks - but the mention of Fero line - I believe is in his line - not sure it is same line Mystere is refering to - but I would like him to be well rounded as well.  Sounds like herding would be fun...

Mystere

by Mystere on 25 March 2009 - 20:03

 Uh, no....I did not say some lines were better...although some were developed from herding lines, such as Kirchental (sp?), so they should be.    What I said about my Devil Child bitch was that she is line-bred on Fero (via Timmy) and also had Crok behind her.    She can be a lying, mean, nasty little bitch, which is my  Sch 3 male hates her and  why the helpers love her!  But, I would be hesitant to let her loose on sheep for that same reason:  I think she'd LIKE to just take the sheep out.  I don't want to pay for some stinky ol' sheep AND I don't want  my dog  mangling  or killing any livestock....especially with witnesses!  

btw-- there are oodles of Urans, lots of Axels, Vopos, a couple of Lords, but there is only one Fero.


In my area, there are herding places that are run by folks certified to test herding instinct.  One, perhaps the biggest and best-known is Ewe-topia (Ewe=U, get it? ).  There are a couple of other places, too, but I have never been to those.  Check out the Ewe-topia website, www.ewetopia.com.     There are often breed clubs, even schutzhund clubs, that host the HIT (herding instinct test) at Ewe-topia throughout the year.  One can also make arrangements to go down solo.  At one time, they even had "herding camp" so you sent your dog down there for boarding and herding, while you went on vacation.  Don't know if they still do that.   I am sure you can find something comparable in Alabama--with all the space and green I saw down there, there is bound to be some place for it.

katjo74

by katjo74 on 25 March 2009 - 23:03

Some bloodlines have higher prey drive, and dogs taught to work in schutzhund often aren't done so until they are HGHed first(herding titled). This way they don't try to apply their biting from SchH to sheep.

Some bloodlines are more privy to herding, but all GSDs should have some degree of herding ability (note: I said they should, not that they DO).

Google your area and search for Herding Instinct testing and see if any such opportunities will be in your area. You can enter your girl into such and see how she does. Also check with reputable local schutzhund clubs and ask them if they know of anyone who has sheep and trains for herding. It's a little more difficult to find herding places than it is schutzhund, so be patient & thorough in your search. That might help you.


by happyday on 25 March 2009 - 23:03

Thanks - I am a member of Schutzund club - but we don't do herding - it just sounded kinda fun - so I thought I would inquire....not a lot of sheep around here....My girl is more laid back than my male  - not really sure of her bloodline - I know his very well...  this is her bloodline - http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/554393.html


Mystere

by Mystere on 26 March 2009 - 00:03

Your bitch is essentially show lines, with a couple working line dogs thrown in on both parents.   NO reason why any dog can't do some herding.  It's based on prey drive. No prey drive-no eat.  No eat-- no survival.   There have been papillons tested in herding.  The one I have in mind also once put gsds, rotties and a dobie to SHAME in a TDX trial--the pap was the only one to pass! 


by happyday on 26 March 2009 - 00:03

Thanks Mystere - you really know your dogs - -and I appreciate the knowledge - my Greta is laid back - way back - she has suprised alot, though - what do you look for in a dog that can do herding?  Is there a certain trait that a herding dog needs to herd sheep?

Mystere

by Mystere on 26 March 2009 - 00:03

Hell if I know.   Personally, I think ANY dog should be able to pass a HIT, because it is so tied to the ability to survive: no prey, no eat, no survive. Any dog should chase sheep, or ducks, and try to keep them moving in some direction.
I understand that the German herders liked to see pups that actually did grap the sheep, not necessarily chase them around.  But, I have never heard that from a German sheep herder, so... 

Check with a local sheltie, Australian shepherd or border collie club.  I bet they know where you could take  your dog for the herding instinct test.

by happyday on 26 March 2009 - 00:03

Thanks for all  knowledge - it is appreciated...

by jayne241 on 26 March 2009 - 00:03

 Just curious: is there a difference between the herding that Schutzhund folks do vs. herding with someone more AKC oriented?

by olskoolgsds on 26 March 2009 - 06:03

Mystere, I tried to get my five year old female into herding.  She is over the top prey, but too aggressive with the sheep.  I did some serious correcting on her with a prong collar, but I would have had to kill her to slow her down. (the trainer was not into hard corrections but agreed we had to get her under control).  She went crazy in that pen, wanting to attack what I believe was the lead sheep, but  with too much aggression.  We tried putting her leg through her fur saver (leaving her with three legs) to slow her down and self correct herself on turns, but it did nothing.  So we put a muzzle on her so she could not hurt the sheep, but that did not slow her down, she just kept charging into them like a wild rabbid dog.  She was exhausted, completely spent, but everytime the sheep moved she did her best to go after them on three legs with no mouth to bite..  She could hardly stand when we called it quits.  She ran for the water tank and jumped in and paddled/dug at  the water for some time like a wild animal .   I know this was releasing frustration.  She is not dog aggressive, but sure loved going after those sheep. It killed me to have to hang it up with her cause she sure loved it.

If I had it to do over,  I would have started her off on some real serious socializing with the sheep until she understood they were not for her own amusement, and I would have started her younger.  So my very limited knowledge of sheep herding is that prey drive is a must, but must be under control and should start at a younger age.  So good luck happyday and do some research before you jump into it.  I had been told by the trainer to let her go in the pen the first day to see her reactions, but hindsight tells me that was a mistake.





 


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