Would you pay? - Page 1

It's kind of a long story, but I will try to shorten it.  Female to be bred with shipped fresh semen.  First time there was a misunderstanding at the vet's office and the shipment sat overnight.  Guess what?  No puppies.

Second time, progesterone testing, bred right on the money and no puppies.  Stud owner had wanted a puppy, now they want me to pay 1/2 the stud fee.  They want to rebreed and then either get a puppy or have me pay the remainder of the fee.  Their choice.  

Should I pay it?  They are really bullying me ant threatening me with punitive damages of $2000 for breach of contract.  I already told them I would pay the half stud fee.  I paid every expense that they put before me.  As I see it we had 1 breeding and no puppies, should get a rebreeding.  The question again.  Now, of course, I don't want the breeding.  Would you pay?  

I take any stud fee agreed upon in front, guarantee one re-breeding WITHIN ONE YEAR if the female owner does not get two live pups, all collection & shipping at bitch owner's expense. No quarantees on re-breeding/2nd collection & shipping. This is considered generous in the business according to every breeder I know because there is no way to know how the semen is handled after it leaves the collecting vet, at the other end, etc. For all we know when we send the stuff off, they could re-heat it in the microwave and then blame us when it winds up dead, or use it, fail to register the pups (regisered them as by a different dog) and claim they didn't get anything from the semen sample.

Shipped semen is a gamble. 40% conception rate is probably on the high end in reality. Generally the largest part of the gamble is borne by the bitch owner who didn't want to send/bring the bitch to the stud dog for whatever reason for a live breeding. This is why we have written contracts.

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If I asked for semen to be shipped, and that is what I got, irregardless of whether my female conceived or not, the stud owner provided the service..so yes I would pay. IMO, the full stud fee. If the stud owner wants to be nice and return half of the fee rather than offer a chance at another breeding, that is awfully generous of him.

Yes pay them what you promised.

I promised them a puppy. 

Well, in that case, this should have been negotiated before the breeding what would happen if the breeding resulted in no puppies. Too bad for both parties. Usually a puppy is offered instead of a stud fee. Since you cannot supply the puppy, I think the request for 1/2 of the stud fee is very reasonable.

So, the stud owner provided semen twice to breed your bitch but no results (1st time semen left overnight so it was probably dead, 2nd time done properly but no results).

First result sounds botched because of your vet, nothing for which to blame the stud owners.  Second attempt failed due to -?? Was the sperm sample checked for living sperm to confirm sample being viable prior to AIing? Has your female produced pups before? It's hard to tell why the 2nd attempt failed.

Is the sire producing puppies with live natural breedings during the time this is all taking place (hence there's proof his sperm is still viable)? If he's a really nice male worth going thru all this and getting a litter, why not ship them your bitch confirmed in heat to live-breed rather than the costly expenses of so many failed AI jobs? I'm not confident in AI jobs without both dogs on premises for a quick fresh AIing right on site. And yeah, AI comes with significantly lower conception potential like Shelley said.

I can see & understand currently your relationship with the stud owners is deteriorating from disappointment and looking to blame someone-its a bad situation for both of you(stud owners and you)-alot of effort & expense has been put forth to produce a litter that's apparently never happened by both parties involved. You have to understand, people screw others over in dog business alot, so people become closed and protective when such situations like what you have develop (the stud owners may not know if you're jerking them around). Either learn from the experience, pay the $$ contracted/agreed and walk away, OR figure out a way for a 3rd breeding where success will be higher potential, do it, provide the puppy as agreed, and walk away. I wouldn't be mean, rude, threatening, accusative, etc. Nothing is to be gained from such.

$2000. sounds awfully steep. Must be one hell of a stud dog?

 I'm sorry I was not clear.  The first time was botched on the stud owners vet end.  I considered the second time to be the first since they messed it up.  

The stud has not produced any puppies yet.

I know what I will do, I was asking, what would you do?