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by Pat Sweeny on 19 March 2009 - 17:03
Removed by owner
by TStrickland on 19 March 2009 - 18:03
I just know that all messages posted on the internet are true. No one ever lies, or exaggerates. No one ever harbors bad feelings and tries to avenge themselves online... Please. If she were so disgruntled with the kennel, why would she remain nameless and faceless?
I, for one, have purchased a dog from Kraftwerk and could not be more pleased with my dog, or the service and information received from Wayne and his staff. If you haven't dealt with him or his staff personally, please keep your opinions to yourself. By the way, my name is Tracie. I am also a lover of the breed who has first hand, not fictional, knowledge of this breeder.
I, for one, have purchased a dog from Kraftwerk and could not be more pleased with my dog, or the service and information received from Wayne and his staff. If you haven't dealt with him or his staff personally, please keep your opinions to yourself. By the way, my name is Tracie. I am also a lover of the breed who has first hand, not fictional, knowledge of this breeder.
by Alyssa Myracle on 19 March 2009 - 18:03
I'm not getting into the Kraftwerk debate, but I will say the letter writer is kind of a dink.
People sent back dogs because the dog bit the kid, or attacked their other dog? Sounds like a piss-poor owner, to me. How the hell is it the breeder's fault that someone cannot properly manage their WORKING BREED of dog?
People sent back dogs because the dog bit the kid, or attacked their other dog? Sounds like a piss-poor owner, to me. How the hell is it the breeder's fault that someone cannot properly manage their WORKING BREED of dog?
by Sunsilver on 19 March 2009 - 19:03
Quote: People sent back dogs because the dog bit the kid, or attacked their other dog? Sounds like a piss-poor owner, to me. How the hell is it the breeder's fault that someone cannot properly manage their WORKING BREED of dog?
So, I've been told that just about EVERYONE'S working line GSD is excellent with kids, and makes a great house dog!
But if the dog bites, it's the OWNER'S fault??
How come I hear all these WORKING dog owners crowing about how great their puppies' grips are, and how eager they are to latch onto everything they can get their mouths on (pant legs, fingers, toys, etc.)
Sorry, folks, you can't have it both ways!
Personally, I believe working line dogs have higher drive, and have a genetic need to mouth and bite things. That is what makes them what they are. Try to change it, and it's not a working line dog anymore.
Yes, there are other reasons for dogs to bite (fear biters, etc.) but I still stand by what I said above.
And yes, I still believe there are some working line dogs who CAN make great house pets. But NOT ALL OF THEM do!
So, I've been told that just about EVERYONE'S working line GSD is excellent with kids, and makes a great house dog!
But if the dog bites, it's the OWNER'S fault??
How come I hear all these WORKING dog owners crowing about how great their puppies' grips are, and how eager they are to latch onto everything they can get their mouths on (pant legs, fingers, toys, etc.)
Sorry, folks, you can't have it both ways!
Personally, I believe working line dogs have higher drive, and have a genetic need to mouth and bite things. That is what makes them what they are. Try to change it, and it's not a working line dog anymore.
Yes, there are other reasons for dogs to bite (fear biters, etc.) but I still stand by what I said above.
And yes, I still believe there are some working line dogs who CAN make great house pets. But NOT ALL OF THEM do!
by Mystere on 19 March 2009 - 19:03
Sunsilver,I
For the umpteenth time, it is NOT about the grip or the drive. It is about TEMPERAMENT. If the temperament is not stable, it does not matter that the dog has NO DRIVE at all and a soft mouth, it is going to be more likely to bite inappropriately from fear, dominance, any number of other reasons. It has nothing to do with being working lines, show lines or no lines. It is about temperament.
If the temperament is misrepresented, a person can end up paying big bucks for a dog that is entirely unsuitable for the buyer and the buyer's situation. It is the same as the shelter ads that tell you a dog up for adoption gets along with cats and other dogs...but, is in reality dog-aggressive and very sensitive to noise. That has ZIP/NADA/NOTHING to do with grip and drive. It has everything to do with temperament and nerve.
For the umpteenth time, it is NOT about the grip or the drive. It is about TEMPERAMENT. If the temperament is not stable, it does not matter that the dog has NO DRIVE at all and a soft mouth, it is going to be more likely to bite inappropriately from fear, dominance, any number of other reasons. It has nothing to do with being working lines, show lines or no lines. It is about temperament.
If the temperament is misrepresented, a person can end up paying big bucks for a dog that is entirely unsuitable for the buyer and the buyer's situation. It is the same as the shelter ads that tell you a dog up for adoption gets along with cats and other dogs...but, is in reality dog-aggressive and very sensitive to noise. That has ZIP/NADA/NOTHING to do with grip and drive. It has everything to do with temperament and nerve.
by Gustav on 19 March 2009 - 20:03
Nobody told you," EVERYONES" working lines dogs are excellent....that's your bullshit to try to make a point. Mystere hit the nail on the head, temperament and nerves are the biggest reason dogs bite indiscriminately and all lines have examples of this...it is not about the drives in terms of biting....such ignorance!!!
by Alyssa Myracle on 19 March 2009 - 20:03
Sunsilver,
NO dog should be left unattended with a small child.
It had nothing to do with lines. It has to do with common sense. Most little kids don't know when enough is enough, and a dog can be tormented into biting.
If a dog is running around attacking small animals and children, I cannot lay the blame on the breeder. I lay the blame on the owner who is not managing his or her dog properly.
You don't just indiscriminately leave a dog, ANY dog, but especially a large, powerful working dog alone with animals and kids.
If you've had the dog for awhile, done plenty of training with the dog to get a feel for their temperment and you know the other parties involved (ie, will the kid torment the dog, is the other animal a known instigator?), then fine.
But 99.9% of the time, its a matter of some moron buying a slightly older GSD because they want "Rin Tin Tin" but don't want to housebreak the dog. Then they turn the dog loose in the house and are shocked when something happens because the dog hasn't been taught how to behave in their house yet.
NO dog should be left unattended with a small child.
It had nothing to do with lines. It has to do with common sense. Most little kids don't know when enough is enough, and a dog can be tormented into biting.
If a dog is running around attacking small animals and children, I cannot lay the blame on the breeder. I lay the blame on the owner who is not managing his or her dog properly.
You don't just indiscriminately leave a dog, ANY dog, but especially a large, powerful working dog alone with animals and kids.
If you've had the dog for awhile, done plenty of training with the dog to get a feel for their temperment and you know the other parties involved (ie, will the kid torment the dog, is the other animal a known instigator?), then fine.
But 99.9% of the time, its a matter of some moron buying a slightly older GSD because they want "Rin Tin Tin" but don't want to housebreak the dog. Then they turn the dog loose in the house and are shocked when something happens because the dog hasn't been taught how to behave in their house yet.
by wuzzup on 19 March 2009 - 20:03
Just my humble opinion . Perhaps the dogs that are sold 'not house trained 'have never been in the house before . Just kenneled their whole life . No real contact or socialization with any one except the stud every six months . Even if they were never bred does not mean they had the proper socialization to make them trust worthy or trusting of any thing or any one let alone children . Even the best bloodlines with out good foundation interaction can ruin the best dogs ,rendering them unsuitable for humans with out a great deal of skilled handling and training before they can be placed or sold to any one . I would think some dogs can never recover the neglected puppy love stage of development . Sorry for the long run on sentences but the mouse is not working on the computer today .
by wuzzup on 19 March 2009 - 20:03
Just my humble opinion . Perhaps the dogs that are sold 'not house trained 'have never been in the house before . Just kenneled their whole life . No real contact or socialization with any one except the stud every six months . Even if they were never bred does not mean they had the proper socialization to make them trust worthy or trusting of any thing or any one let alone children . Even the best bloodlines with out good foundation interaction can ruin the best dogs ,rendering them unsuitable for humans with out a great deal of skilled handling and training before they can be placed or sold to any one . I would think some dogs can never recover the neglected puppy love stage of development . Sorry for the long run on sentences but the mouse is not working on the computer today .
by Sunsilver on 19 March 2009 - 21:03
IMO, the breeder is at fault, for not making sure the new owners had a clue as to how to manage a high-drive dog. (Agree with Allysa about a dog should always be supervised with kids, especially if it's new to the household.)
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