Liability surrounding the validity of the paperwork - Page 1

I have read several posts on this site and other sites.  A member of my family recently purchased a gsd and has since discovered that there is a concern as to the authenticity of the dogs paperwork.  Where does my liability begin and what liability does the breeder have in a case such as this?  We have heard that the breeder was red flagged by the AKC but have no such proof to that at this point in time.  Thank you in advance for any advice you can give us.

Gossip can be vicious.  Often other unethical breeders/brokers start senseless gossip to cut out the (better) competition.  What makes you think this rumour is true?  Even if true, the breeder/broker may have been decieved him or herself concerning the validity of the papers, however, reguardless of that, they would be responsible for giving your money back if it ends up being true.  Paperless dogs have no real value most of the time unless it is a dog with training, so unless the dog has real training, they should let you keep the dog if the rumour ends up being true.  Veronica

Gossip can be vicious but in this situation the information came from a reliable source who had absolutely nothing to gain by telling us this.  These people do not own or breed a gsd and are not affiliated with any kennel.  I had considered personal animosity but as they do not know the person well that sold the dog that is highly unlikely as well.  At this point in time I am just looking to see what our options are if in fact it turns out the paperwork is in fact fraudulent.  I do not want to post names at this point in time because I dont want to hurt any innocent parties.

And exactly who are you Kitkat and who is gsloser123????  I don't feel you have a right to harrass me when you have no clue who I am.  You obviously have me confused with someone else.  Is this how you treat all new commers to this site seeking information???  Do you by any chance have a guilty conscience????  I did not reference a single person in my question.  All I asked for was basic information.  You obviously have an inferiority complex and I would prefer it if you would disassociate yourself from me with your childish behavior.  I thought that people on this database shared information with each other reqarding gs-dogs.  I only sought information and you insult me because I am new and attack me without provocation.  I dont know who you are and I surely do not ever want to know someone with your obvious lack of manners. 
GROW UP AND ACT YOUR AGE NOT YOUR IQ LEVEL!!!!!!!!!   I firmly believe you owe me an apology at the very least but am sure that even if you gave me one it would not be sincere.  I also read the rules of this forum and am surprised that they allow this kind of behavior to occur on the data base.

To the others who post on this board thank you for your time that you have taken to answer my question.  I did not post the question to hurt anyones feelings or insult anyone.  I merely sought some answers regarding paperwork with a german shephard.

 

Thanks for your time and input.

Thanks for your help Veronica.  Does anyone have any other advice besides that which Veronica gave? 

Hopefully this thread will provide valuable information not only for myself but any other people that are faced with the same situation.

I did not claim that I personally or my source of information are owners and or breeders.  I am seeking information on behalf of my young nephew.  I bought him a gsd to invest in his future as I had done with both of my children.  In the case of my children I bought my son a chow chow and I bought my daughter a chiuaha.  I have been out of the dog world for some time now as my children are grown.  I let each child pick the breed of their choice.  I have started the paperwork to register the gsd with the akc but there is some questions that the AKC is asking that has led some friends of the family and I to believe there is a problem with the paperwork.  Our friends heard some rumors through their family as to the authenticity of the paperwork. 

I hope not all new comers to this site are treated as horribly as I have been treated thus far. 

To those who persist in harrassing me I sincerly believe you need some serious mental health help as you appear to be very paranoid.  Does your paranoia stem from the fact that maybe you as a breeder have something to hide if in fact you are a breeder.  I am grateful that I did not purchase my nephews dog from you unless of course you sold your dogs in Massachusettes.  But at any rate if you have nothing to hide my question would not have upset you as much as it has.   Either way I really should not have to explain myself to the likes of you.  Apparently you have a deep seated need to be the center of attention. 

Why must you people air your dirty laundry here?  I thought this was a message board to share information regarding the german shephard dog. 

Please take your babyish behavior some place else.  This is not the time nor the place for such things.

If the papers are fraudulent you do have the right to demand your money back.  Of course, if the breeder agrees to refund your money he/she will most likely insist on the dog being returned to them too.   If the breeder is not willing to rectify the situation by refunding or correcting the papers issue, your recourse would be through the courts.  Don't expect AKC to do much of anything for you.   What question is AKC asking you that makes you think the papers are fake?    

Hi Sue; 
They said there was some confusion with the information surrounding the sire.  The registration number and sire name did not match their records.  I did find out that it was just a mistake and one of the digits in the registration number for the sire was incorrect and it has since been corrected.  I was never going to return the dog since my nephew loves it with all his heart.  I would have done anything to fix the problem except return the dog.  If I wasn't able to resolve the issue I would have gotten him another registered dog for his future investment but would have let him keep this one as well.  I am just grateful that it did have a happy ending and it was easily resolved this time.  I still won't trust that particular breeder but at least I can put this behind us and we can move forward. 

I'm really glad to hear the problem was resolved.  I know what you mean about your nephew being  attached, which is why I brought it up.  I would imagine if the breeder was a shady character and if the registration had been bogus, they would have relied on the attachment factor too.  Plus I think most anybody would be reluctant to return any dog to someone who proves themselves to be reprehensible, if for no other reason than  out of concern for the poor dog!

I would imagine there would still be some legal recourse to get all or part of the money back and still keep the dog, but I bet it's not easy and of course, going through the court system is not cheap in and of itself, either $$$, time and the pain in the ass factor.

Alls well that ends well, glad you dodged the bullet, hope the dog is a great dog for your nephew!