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raymond

by raymond on 02 March 2009 - 21:03

I have a delimma with my 14 month old female. we have a strong bond and the helpers tell me that it appears she would rather play with me than them at training!  I as the handler at training : they feel our bond is interfering with their ability to interact with her with the tugs 'puppy sleeves ect,ect. I get the impression that they feel that she is a lost cause because they say they do not know what else to do other than force her to bite and they will not do that. What do I do to solve this problem?  Limit the time we spend together?  I do not play with her with helpers toys. only balls on strings in toss and obed. No one has said to continue while she matures! Yes she is spoiled but not rotten!  She bites very well for me! Should I back tie her so she will learn to bite the sleeve? I am discouraged and do not know what to do. She comes from a n excellent pedigree( a family of champions0


yankee girl

by yankee girl on 02 March 2009 - 22:03

My female was very slow to start. Her breeder told me that the females in her lines mature much slower and to give her time. I waited til she was 2 and she is incredable. It was well worth the wait.

14 months is still a baby. Give her time to mature. Lots of socializing in different area's. See if your trainer will let her watch other dogs work. Every dog has a different personality and matures at different stages.

Enjoy your female and have patience.

ShelleyR

by ShelleyR on 02 March 2009 - 22:03

What happens if you let somebody else handle her and hide where she doesn't know where you are?
Any difference?
She may just need to grow up more.
Happens.
SS

snajper69

by snajper69 on 02 March 2009 - 22:03

No play time, no toy's keep her hungry, stop spolling her!!! Once she will get hungry and get the game she will be fine, but than you most likely can't last that long without playing with her. lol.

raymond

by raymond on 03 March 2009 - 00:03

we have tied her off at training and she gets anxious looking for me but not totally neglecting the other dogs. No one other than me has handeled  her except once and she did fairly well.This will be the first full season of training and no impediments as teething ect,ect. .I will try to isolate her more from me and play time. but since it is only me and her I am not sure how effective that will be. I will not give up cause I can see the potential

Mystere

by Mystere on 03 March 2009 - 02:03

You didn't mention what her bloodlines are. If, as guessed by others, she is simply a little slow to mature....let her grow up. The bond is the LAST thing you want to diminish. If it is a question of separation anxiety, that's another issue entirely.socialization would help in that case. Otherwise, just let her grow up. There are a lot of "sleepers" out there.

BabyEagle4U

by BabyEagle4U on 03 March 2009 - 02:03

I kinda have the same problem. My Mal stays within 25 feet of me and the helper. She's a nut on the sleeve, but if I'm more than like 25 feet from her she just barks like mad and doesn't go further. Now if I walk toward her she'll go closer to the sleeve. I dunno. I'm useing this to my advantage right now, I see it works her up mad before we get her in range. LOL
 Strange.

Slamdunc

by Slamdunc on 03 March 2009 - 19:03

Raymond, your bond with the dog is not the problem.  However, if the dog spends all day with you and gets lavished with attention and affection there is not that much need for the dog to work.  There are several things that can be causing her lack of interest in training.  I would need to figure out wether she is confused, lacks interest or prey drive or is going into avoidance or a combination of all of these.   A few questions for you:  First, do you track and do obedience before the protection work?  What age did you start her in protection work?  Tell us how you started the training. 

Next, please post a link to her pedigree.  This may help to answer some questions. 

Ok, here's where I'd start:  I'd go back several steps in the protection training and work her strictly in prey.  I'd go back to a rag and not worry about sleeves and tugs until she really bites the rag well.  I would crate her for a couple of hours before you go to training to build her drive.  I wouldn't do anything else on training days with the dog for the time being.  Track her on alternate days until she responds well to the bite work.  If your club has some young high drive dogs doing tug work well bring your dog out to watch these dogs work.  Praise your dog when it gets excited and barks for the tug.  Some pet dogs learn "bite inhibition" at an early age and this will affect their training.  If you raised the dog telling it "no bite" when it teethed on your arm you are a little behind the eight ball.  

You say that she bites well for you.  Have you tried having the decoy hold the leash and you working the dog with the rag?  If you can get the dog to bite the rag or tug and play a hard game of tug of war, then hand the rag or tug to the decoy and you take the leash.  So, you have transferred the dog to the decoy and you both run in a big circle together.  You can then swap and give the leash back to the decoy and he runs in a big circle with your dog while it holds the rag or tug.  Praise the dog while it's doing this.  By praise, picture that the dog is holding a million dollar lottery ticket in it's mouth and just ran home with it.  How much would you praise your dog if it just brought you a million dollar lottery ticket?  

Now, when decoying for dogs like this it drives me crazy when the handler constantly talks to their dog.  Don't distract your dog by constantly saying things like "packen", "get him" or "watch him."  Say it once and let the decoy control the action.  This is a lot of work for a decoy and exhausting.  It's easier for me to work 3 or 4 high end SchH 3 level dogs than 1 dog like this.  I enjoy the challenge so I'll do it, but many decoys won't invest that much time in a dog like this.  Just have some patience with her and don't be concerned about going back to the beginning in training. 

FWIW,

Jim

Red Sable

by Red Sable on 03 March 2009 - 21:03

Great post Jim. 

raymond

by raymond on 03 March 2009 - 22:03

Halo vom Mittelwest
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5 generations .::. Progeny .::. Progeny Pictures                                                                                            Here is a link to her pedigree   and thanks for the info I am your slave  . We started training at age 4 months with a horse whip and chamios . I would use the whip and rag for One or two times a day for only several 5-8 minutesat a time. we did this for several days and never the day before training. Once she was finished teething we would apply more resistance in the tug but always let her win and circled several times with praise. On sunday we would track between 630 and 730 and always short track extending the lengthas she progressed . from 8-12 we had a short obedience and would tie or hold leashed while others worked. Ocassionally we would tie her off to a tree close by and I would stand a distance away from her  and disappear  and watch her reaction. She was always watching other dogs with deep barks and attention. she appears to want to socialize with the  helpers before she starts playing. Kinda like spend several minutes smoozin up then to play   We always kept her sessions 4-6 minutes if less in length but she was on the field watching other dogs about half the time we were at training. Never fed her before or the night before training. I think I might video some routines for posting?                                                                                                      





 


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